Horner to become RBR boss (confirmed)

[Burton]

It will be someone who has worked at Jag before......
....think former rally team boss.....
Apparently the staff have been told what's happened and they were all very downhearted! Great start for the new team eh!

[BSchneiderFan]

Gunther Steiner? He's at Opel at the moment, but with their DTM campaign coming to an end this year, perhaps he'll move.

Flight of fancy, but what's Alan Jenkins up to these days? I have a vague memory that he may have moved into bikes.

[Kicking-back]

I can see there is an argument for giving this a negative spin - however, Red Bull have bought the team, they've quickly and decisively decided on the management team they want.

The point now is to give these people time and space to do their jobs.

[Super Tourer]

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

It could be someone who's already in the team being promoted.

Very true, but looking back at past cars from within their design team and losing Gillan already it would make sense to bring in a new face with a proven successful car or two under ther belt.

Having said all this it would be too late for a newcomer to influence the 2005 car, so it may well be an internal promotion.

[Gabrio]

I would definitely call Alan Jenkins.

[Super Tourer]

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

I can see there is an argument for giving this a negative spin - however, Red Bull have bought the team, they've quickly and decisively decided on the management team they want.

The point now is to give these people time and space to do their jobs.

True but shades of Ford .....

Prior to today's announcement.


.....Purnell, though, said the Red Bull billionaire told him that both he and Pitchforth were staying put. "Mateschitz's reputation is that he is a man of his word," Purnell told Autosport

Seems not allegedly.
http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=73373


DC must be looking on in bewilderment - not the way things were done at McLaren....

[Super Tourer]

It seems it will be Steiner in the TD role.

We also hear that the technical management of the team will be passing into the hands of Gunther Steiner, the German engineer was in charge of Jaguar Racing in 2002 before being dropped when the new management was appointed.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns14058.html

[Silk Cut Jaguar]

All of these changes are not going to affect the 2005 car this late in the game so maybe it's not such a bad move by Red Bull as it allows their prefered managment a season of bedding in.

That said, I see it as a largely bad move. Purnell and Pitchforth turned that team around and were by all accounts liked by the staff... now they're gone, hardly a morale booster is it?

Then again, maybe this was the plan from the start and Purnell and co knew they would only have to keep the seats warm?

[Gabrio]

These guys change management more often that Italy changes its governments....

[ASCII Man]

Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

Flight of fancy, but what's Alan Jenkins up to these days? I have a vague memory that he may have moved into bikes.

Alan Jenkins was responsible for the design of the Ducati Desmosedici MotoGP bike last season IIRC.
He also did the aerodynamic design of the Ducati Desmosedici RR, the race replica of the MotoGP bike.

[JohnMiller]

Originally Posted by Silk Cut Jaguar

Purnell and Pitchforth turned that team around and were by all accounts liked by the staff... now they're gone, hardly a morale booster is it?

Ah, I didn't realise points were awarded for popularity with employees. (Only weak bosses are that popular anyway.)

Turned the team around? They got 10 points last year, the budget was multiples of some others for no result!

They'll be forgotten by the first race if they show better (not hard surely?)...

[mark_l]

Oh dear, old habits die hard at Jaguar.....baby. bathwater, open window.

Gunther Steiner designed an awful Jaguar car, is more used to designing WRC cars for Ford.

Throw out the 2 people who were popular with the workforce,resurrected Jaguar and made it a saleable item and managed to keep hold of most of the staff during this difficult time.

When there was a chance of something decent happening, they get rid of the 2 people capable of achieving it.

Horner has no F1 management experience, F3000 experience is not F1 experience.

Looks like Stoddart has some competition for his grid slots this year

[Gabrio]

Originally Posted by mark_l

Oh dear, old habits die hard at Jaguar.....baby. bathwater, open window.

Gunther Steiner designed an awful Jaguar car, is more used to designing WRC cars for Ford.
Horner has no F1 management experience, F3000 experience is not F1 experience.
Looks like Stoddart has some competition for his grid slots this year

Steiner did not design the car. He was a director and not a designer.
Horner will do well. He knows the tricks and has historically been linked to David Richards There mey be more to this than meets the eye....
Let's not judge too quickly.

[Burton]

As one who know's better than most I can only whole heartedly agree with mark_l. Although i disagree with the comment about GS I don't think he had chance to get settled before his door opened on the JagRac revolving door and he was booted out!
Losing DP could start yet another rush for the door because a majority of the people who were undecided on staying or going when ford decided to pull out, stayed because they had faith in Dave and his team.

[DEADDUCK]

From ITV-F1

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=31853

[Extra Rib]

John Miller - They'll be forgotten by the first race?

sorry mate don't get that - Both Dave and Tony have a lot of respect from the staff as they have both been honest with the team - if they have known information that they can't impart with the staff they have held their hands up and told the staff this. More than previous management have done.

[sonic]

[QUOTE=JohnMiller]Ah, I didn't realise points were awarded for popularity with employees. (Only weak bosses are that popular anyway.)QUOTE]

yeah, you see, there's this thing called 'morale.'

when you have a large group of people working towards a common goal it helps to believe in your leaders.

which the jag boys and girls did.

Horner won't be able to cut it in F1 (yet) if you thought purnell was weak then Horner is even more lightweight, mateschitz installed him as a puppet that will do what he says.

Its going to be carnage at RBR as an autocrat who doesn't know much about F1 throws his weight around. mark my words.

If I was an employee, id be writting my CV.

[Kicking-back]

Lets give the guys a chance.

Red Bull have bought the team and can appoint whoever they want.

There's no suggestion it won't be management stability from here on.

[mark_l]

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Lets give the guys a chance.

Red Bull have bought the team and can appoint whoever they want.

There's no suggestion it won't be management stability from here on.

Jaguard did not have a good record on management stability and Red Bull seem to be carrying on that tradition

[Kicking-back]

I don't see how we can draw that conclusion after so short a time - Red Bull is putting in place its own structure for the long term with these appointments, quite possibly.

[JohnMiller]

Originally Posted by mark_l

Jaguard did not have a good record on management stability and Red Bull seem to be carrying on that tradition

Jaguar did not have a good track record .... at all.

The Red Bull guys will make a much better job than the previous "management."

Like for example, it has been consistently quoted that Klien only got the race drive last year because "Red Bull insisted" - hello, Red Bull didn't own the team then. Just that they didn't have the ability to get any sponsors in to replace the ones they couldn't keep hold of.

[Rennen]

It took until the 14th posting to this thread that anyone looked at this from Purnell's and Pitchforths viewpoint!...wittering on about Horner and Arden!...You've all missed the incredable irony that TP & DP worked tirelessly night and day to secure everyones jobs at JAG Racing and saved the whole teams enterprise and dedicated igenuity and asperations only to be stabbed in the back by a wild Bull! Not to mention a certain ex driver on the bridge putting his telescope to his blind eye!

[mark_l]

Originally Posted by JohnMiller

Like for example, it has been consistently quoted that Klien only got the race drive last year because "Red Bull insisted" - hello, Red Bull didn't own the team then. Just that they didn't have the ability to get any sponsors in to replace the ones they couldn't keep hold of.

Sponsors have a huge say in who drives for the teams, its only the big teams Ferrari, Mclaren, Williams, that dont have to listen to sponsors trying to place drivers.

JohnMiller, you must be very naive to think that all F1 drivers are there on merit alone.

[jawa]

Yeah, but if you don't have an opinion, or wish to reserve judgement, then don't post - the whole purpose of these forums is to allow people to talk enthusiastically about motorsport.

I think it's glaringly obvious that replacing Tony and Dave with an F3000 boss who's never done F1 and an Austrian technical director who's track record was largely unproven both seem like pretty poor ideas.

How the hell did Horner get this job? He has ZERO experience in the role - and I can only see the loss of TP and DP as having a seriously negative effect on the team's morale.

As far as I'm concerned, this is the beginning of the end for Red Bull Racing. If I was an employee I, too, would be very concerned.

** Hope nobody minds me posting my opinions so promptly! **

[Rennen]

Originally Posted by mark_l

Sponsors have a huge say in who drives for the teams, its only the big teams Ferrari, Mclaren, Williams, that dont have to listen to sponsors trying to place drivers.

JohnMiller, you must be very naive to think that all F1 drivers are there on merit alone.

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