Best overtaking manoeuvre (1998 - 2004)

[Kirk]

Originally Posted by Dutton

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As an aside - remember Jacques' effort at Estoril '96? That was pretty cool - if annoying at the time!

Finally.

[Dixie Flatline]

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Without a doubt, Mika on Michael at Spa 2000.

Just because, lapping a backmarker AND overtaking your most immediate rival in one go is quite impressive.

Seconded. Happens to be Ricardo Zonta's greatest contribution to Formula One.

[P.Cummins]

Well No.1 for me is Shumi and and Hak at Spa 2000. The reasons have been explained.

[Mekola]

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Without a doubt, Mika on Michael at Spa 2000.

Just because, lapping a backmarker AND overtaking your most immediate rival in one go is quite impressive.

Carlos Reutemann made the same manoeuvre over Niki Lauda at 1978 British GP lapping Bruno Giacomelli during the overtake.
But I'm with you, I agree that Hakk over Schumi in Spa 2000 was one of the best overtaking manoeuvres in present days.

[Ryo28]

I agree that Hakkinen on Schumacher at Spa 2000 was amazing. Also one which few people remember, Alonso in the Minardi on Panis's BAR into the first turn at Suzuka 2001, impressive more because of the disparity in car performance than anything else! If I can 'bend' the rules slightly and go back to 1996, Villeneuve on Schumacher at Estoril was very impressive and similar to Hakkinen's move in that there was a backmarker (in this case Giovanni Lavaggi) involved.

[P.Cummins]

How about, Tarso Marques on everbody, lap 7 Nurbergring 2001

[krt917]

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Some of Rubens' full lap manoever's at Silverstone '03 were good too. I think one or two of these qualify for best in that period.

Yes, I think that his multiple-corner move on Kimi stands out as one of the best of the period.

Mika's move on Schuey at Spa was ballsy, but it was obvious that the pass was coming - the speed differential between the two cars during that part of the race was significant.

Just to throw a new one in - what about DC's move on Schuey at Brazil in '01 in the wet? Everyone remembers Montoya's aggressive move early in the race, but DC showed a more calculated (and no less effective) move through traffic, though MS did have a tyre disadvantage at the time.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by krt917

Mika's move on Schuey at Spa was ballsy, but it was obvious that the pass was coming - the speed differential between the two cars during that part of the race was significant.

I watched that just the other day. Mika absolutely destroys Michael through Eau Rouge, but it seems to me that on the rest of the lap Michael matches Mika's pace or is a little quicker.

[Sodemo]

Wasn't M Schu having severe tyre trouble at the end of Spa 2000??

[Kicking-back]

Don't recall whether he was or not.

Doesn't take anything away from Mika's brave move - particularly given the events of the previous lap.

[StickShift]

Schumacher's tyres were severely overheating. In the laps before Hakkinen caught and passed him, he was driving off-line down on the wet part of the Kemmel straight to try and keep his tyres cool.

[Knowlesy]

krt917....Schuey didn't have a tyre disadvantage to DC. The only disadvantage he supposedly had was his setup. But to me, he seemed off the pace that day, wet or dry.....

The main issue at Spa for Schuey was his straightline speed, hence he was destroyed through Eau Rouge all the way up the straight. His tyres were in less good condition than the McLarens often throughout the season, but I tend to think it was less of an issue than some people made out.

[Adam43]

Looking at the lap times. Michael was not massively off the pace. He was within 1.5s of his fastest lap on each of the last 15 or so. I too seem to remember that it was more set-up than tyres. Although a contemory report suggests tyre trouble, noting what stickshift mentioned.

Of course all overtaking (especially in F1) relies on one car being quicker than another!

[Rich R]

schumacher had the car set upfor the wet conditions that the race had started in, whereas hakkinen had a lot less wing, i think this contributed to hakkinens spin earlier in the race.

[jhansen]

Adam touched on something that I have been thinking as I read through this thread. The topic has moved from best overtaking maneuver to who had the most legitimate overtaking maneuver.

Obviously the potency of a driver’s car on a particular day plays a large part in how or if he can overtake. But then there are those times when a driver displays definite skill over a competitor given a certain set of conditions. A good example is Montoya on cold tires passing Kimi at Interlagos in 2004. I also think that is why we fans find it easy to applaud a driver’s special achievements in an inferior car.

So perhaps now everyone should rate their favorite overtaking maneuver based on the parity between the two combatant’s cars.

[Sodemo]

Was Monty's car inferior to that of the Ferrari at Brazil 2001?

[mac]

Who cares?

[Sodemo]

Yes, your right, no one cares, im sorry.

[steve_r]

Can't remember the year, but Irvine around the outside of Michael Schumacher AND Montoya at the same tima @ Suzuka.

[Knowlesy]

Are you thinking about the 1997 race where Irvine drove around a load of people through the snake sectionm of Suzuka? Schuey let him pass, it was a team game thing.

And Irvine was quite light on fuel...

[Dani Filth]

it was Suzuka . Irvine passing on the outside of Villeneuve .

[Speed]

Montoya on Kimi/Ralf in Canada (can´t remember year, sorry...)

[strider]

Mika on Schumi at Spa for all the reasons already mentioned, plus the speed at which the manoeuvre was done.

[downforce]

Michael on Rubens after the safety car pulled out - Indy 2004
Montoya on Trulli - Imola 2001

[Tweed]

Originally Posted by downforce

Montoya on Trulli - Imola 2001

Was just about to mention that one! Can't believe it took 4 pages to get to it!