Speed News: Champ Cars at Sebring with ALMS 2006 - Page 2

Amar7605 · 13 Jul 2005, 06:07 (Ref:1354349)

Laguna Seca would be good because of the long tradition of both open-wheel and sportscar racing there. But will the crowds come? If it's promoted right then I think so.

mabs_nsx · 13 Jul 2005, 06:44 (Ref:1354361)

Sebring (March 19)
Long Beach (April 2)
Monterrey (April 16)
Milwaukee (April 30)
San Jose (May 14)
Cleveland (May 28)
Toronto (June 11)
Edmonton (June 25)
Portland (July 9)
Denver (July 23)
Montreal (August 6)
Houston (August 20)
Las Vegas (September 3)
Bejing (September 17)
Ansan (October 1)
Mexico City (October 15)
Surfers Paradise (October 29)
Laguna Seca (November 12)

2 weeks between every race
18 Races
March 19-November 12 (8 mounths of Champcars

)

mabs_nsx · 13 Jul 2005, 06:59 (Ref:1354365)

Houston????

is this it?

Jordi · 14 Jul 2005, 16:14 (Ref:1355535)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mabs_nsx

Sebring (March 19)
Long Beach (April 2)
Monterrey (April 16)
Milwaukee (April 30)
San Jose (May 14)
Cleveland (May 28)
Toronto (June 11)
Edmonton (June 25)
Portland (July 9)
Denver (July 23)
Montreal (August 6)
Houston (August 20)
Las Vegas (September 3)
Bejing (September 17)
Ansan (October 1)
Mexico City (October 15)
Surfers Paradise (October 29)
Laguna Seca (November 12)

2 weeks between every race
18 Races
March 19-November 12 (8 mounths of Champcars

)

This is all very nice, but you have to factor in things like continuity. Milwaukee is always after Indy, for example...

indycool · 17 Jul 2005, 15:21 (Ref:1357256)

Milwaukee on April 30? Bring your snowmobile suit.

Ac. · 18 Jul 2005, 03:25 (Ref:1357521)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xpunk75

Also I think the series needs to find a race in America to end the season at a famous track with the open wheel status of Long Beach. Maybe they should Laguna Seca as the last race of the season. Some where at a track where people have known and loved racing with a great history.

Any Ideas what track would be good?

How about a 500 miler at Fontana, or perhaps at Texas(the IRL is squabbling with TMS regarding dates and their race may not happen). Either way this would be a great way to end the season, and to recover some of the roots of Champ Car. Lots of political baggage to work through to make one of these happen though...

Snrub · 18 Jul 2005, 03:38 (Ref:1357525)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ac.

How about a 500 miler at Fontana, or perhaps at Texas(the IRL is squabbling with TMS regarding dates and their race may not happen). Either way this would be a great way to end the season, and to recover some of the roots of Champ Car. Lots of political baggage to work through to make one of these happen though...

The IRL draws a killer crowd at Texas, would they be stupid enough to throw it away? If possible CC should take it, but only for the need success boost. I have zero interest in seeing a flat out oval race.

Ac. · 18 Jul 2005, 03:48 (Ref:1357530)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snrub

The IRL draws a killer crowd at Texas, would they be stupid enough to throw it away? If possible CC should take it, but only for the need success boost. I have zero interest in seeing a flat out oval race.

I don't want to see a flat out oval either. CC needs to put together a superspeedway rules package that allows the drivers to drive, brake, and shift gears going around the track. Same thing for Las Vegas.

Amar7605 · 18 Jul 2005, 07:15 (Ref:1357563)

If Champ Cars keep promoting themselves as the series with the mix of ovals, street and road courses, then they should make an effort to have at least a few more superspeedways. Espcially (and unfortunately) if they want to regain the American market en masse.

mountainstar · 18 Jul 2005, 19:34 (Ref:1357985)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amar7605

If Champ Cars keep promoting themselves as the series with the mix of ovals, street and road courses, then they should make an effort to have at least a few more superspeedways. Espcially (and unfortunately) if they want to regain the American market en masse.

I disagree, not all Americans have to see racing on ovals to consider it racing.

Amar7605 · 18 Jul 2005, 21:17 (Ref:1358090)

Then how come NASCAR keeps on having full grandstands while Champ Car struggles at its American venues?

mountainstar · 18 Jul 2005, 23:21 (Ref:1358182)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amar7605

Then how come NASCAR keeps on having full grandstands while Champ Car struggles at its American venues?

I don't think that champcar 'struggles" at its USA venues. With the exception of milwaukee it's all looked good this year and san jose and denver will probably be sold out.

Amar7605 · 19 Jul 2005, 05:34 (Ref:1358275)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

I don't think that champcar 'struggles" at its USA venues. With the exception of milwaukee it's all looked good this year and san jose and denver will probably be sold out.

That may be true, but look at the venues that Champ Car has squandered in the past few years: Fontana, Michigan, Road America, Laguna Seca, Mid Ohio, Miami... need I go on?

mountainstar · 19 Jul 2005, 05:40 (Ref:1358278)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amar7605

That may be true, but look at the venues that Champ Car has squandered in the past few years: Fontana, Michigan, Road America, Laguna Seca, Mid Ohio, Miami... need I go on?

Well the cabs have got rid of north wilkesboro and are gradually dispensing with rockingham, darlington, etc. so there is no difference to me. Things change.

D.R.T. · 19 Jul 2005, 10:27 (Ref:1358459)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amar7605

If Champ Cars keep promoting themselves as the series with the mix of ovals, street and road courses, then they should make an effort to have at least a few more superspeedways. Espcially (and unfortunately) if they want to regain the American market en masse.

I agree ovals and Superspeedways are an integral part of he championship for it to succeed in the future. This element is one part of what made the championship which made it so successful in previous years.

Kicking-back · 19 Jul 2005, 10:31 (Ref:1358461)

If they're not going to have a proper mix of ovals, superspeedways, road and street courses, then quite frankly the best thing would be to dump the remaining couple of oval races and be entirely road/street.

Hazza · 19 Jul 2005, 10:45 (Ref:1358471)

I have an further off topic question, the package they ran in about 98 - that produced some great racing from what I remember (Vassar, Zanardi & Moore @ Michigan?) how has the set up changed from that over the years? Is there fundementally something that can be "changed back"?

Amar7605 · 19 Jul 2005, 12:31 (Ref:1358553)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

If they're not going to have a proper mix of ovals, superspeedways, road and street courses, then quite frankly the best thing would be to dump the remaining couple of oval races and be entirely road/street.

Thanks for saying this, K-B, because if Champ Car is choosing not to have ovals then they should get rid of them and not promote themselves as a series with the mix of tracks.

Oh here's a crazy thought... what if ALMS and Champ Cars ran at Daytona?!?!?!?!?

Kicking-back · 19 Jul 2005, 13:23 (Ref:1358594)

On the 24 hours course I assume?

The Daytona oval would be insanely dangerous.

Tim Northcutt · 19 Jul 2005, 13:42 (Ref:1358603)

Texas caused big problems with g-forces for CCWS teams a few years ago....

The banks at Texas are 24 degrees...

Daytona's are 31 degrees

macdaddy · 19 Jul 2005, 13:46 (Ref:1358607)

Texas didn't work out simply because the series didn't do any serious testing there. Also, they spend alot more time in the corners than they would at Daytona.

It's irrelevant anyway, as I find it extremely unlikely that ChampCars would ever race on the Daytona oval. The road couse, utilizing a part of the oval, would be spectacular though!

D.R.T. · 20 Jul 2005, 01:49 (Ref:1358993)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

If they're not going to have a proper mix of ovals, superspeedways, road and street courses, then quite frankly the best thing would be to dump the remaining couple of oval races and be entirely road/street.

Yes and Robin Miller and Tony Cotman have said similar things. I would go the other way and find 4-5 ovals. Not sure where but I think the loss of ovals would be quite sad.

macdaddy · 20 Jul 2005, 02:22 (Ref:1359000)

The loss of ovals would be devastating to fans who are of the same mindset as I am. I love switching gears and using brakes, but I also love speed. The first CC race I ever saw on TV was an oval. The first one I ever attended live was an oval. There's heritage there.

racefanatic · 20 Jul 2005, 02:25 (Ref:1359001)

I also think it is important to keep some ovals on the schedule, but personally I am not a huge fan of Milwaukee even though I had fun there and there is a lot of history, and Las Vegas is OK I guess.

I still want Michigan and Fontana back...

macdaddy · 20 Jul 2005, 03:06 (Ref:1359007)

Now you've hit my "sore-spot", racefanatic.
Michigan / Fontana = SPEED
Plus excitement. Plus bravery. Plus eight pitstops!
The ultimate test of not only man, but machine. (And RR wheel-bearings!)
Qualify last, you can win! Lose two laps early, you can win!

I digress, and we're way off-topic now. Thanks in large part to myself.

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