Zandvoort Masters of F3 cancelled

[Lightning Bug]

Originally Posted by bella

isn't the zandvoort noise limit done by general noise rather than testing an isolated car?

If that was the case, couldn't they just run smaller fields for the Masters? Say, a 20-car qually race then a 20-car final?

Sad news and the end of an era, but if the race pitches up at Zolder that's a good thing. The layout should make it easier to overtake than at Zandvoort, it's easy to get to for everyone in Britain and the Euroseries, and at least the Euroseries doesn't go to Zolder, so that takes one of the 'unfair' advantages away.

[BOSSman]

The Zandvoort/Zolder organisers have a meeting on Monday and then they decide!

Christian
EuroBOSS

[strider]

Originally Posted by bella

isn't the zandvoort noise limit done by general noise rather than testing an isolated car?

I don't know, but I think you're right. It may be that how long the noise goes on for is also a factor.

F3 cars have always run unsilenced at Zandvoort, as they do at Macau, They run with silencers in both the F3 Euroseries and British F3, so they could have done that but it sounds (sorry! ) as though that would not have been enough. It certainly wouldn't have brought them down to FRenault levels.

[racecontrol]

Does anybody know what is the noise limit? In Italy we are having many similar problems as well, but 5 days as far too less!!

[strider]

I'll try to find out, but it's worth mentioning that the limit only applies to 5 noisy days. There are plenty of other race meetings at Zandvoort that run within the noise limit. There have to be - you can't run a race circuit on a 5 day season!

[bella]

for some reason, i have 105db stuck in my head, and i'm not entirely sure why. the second figure i have is 95db.

[strider]

105 dbA is the figure that most categories in the UK have to run at. It's in the MS Blue Book somewhere. 95 would be really, really quiet! British F3 is 114 dbA, but used to be 118. It's strange, because the official FIA figure for F3 is 98dbA, but they leave it to each country's ASN (in our case the MSA) to decide whether or not to enforce it. That's why British F3 gets away with 114.

[FIRE]

I think it's 96 dB at 5 m above the track.

[BOSSman]

I think with this decision it will give also big problems for the planned TGP F1 race at Zandvoort 8-9 september (GTO Grand Prix Classic)...

Christian
EuroBOSS

[Dutch chap]

Re the noice level: as I recall it's a constant 55 Db(!) if it is during an 8 hour period, not on the track, but at the houses in the town of Zandvoort. The noice level is measured at the track and while using a table a certain outcome is allowed. Sorry for my bad English. I hope I made it clear.

[bella]

i knew those numbers stuck in my head for a reason!

surely the sea washing against the shore on a rough night makes more noise than a herd of stampeding formula 3 cars? :/

[strider]

Okay, so give yourself a brownie point for being so smart!

If I may wander slightly off topic, Rockingham in the UK is in a similar situation. They have to take noise readings in villages miles away and these are not allowed to exceed 47 dbA. I asked a technical guy what that was in real terms and he said: "About the noise an ink jet printer makes." There is more noise from the nearby main road, but apparently that doesn't count.

There's a similar anomoly at Donington. They have strict noise restictions, yet the East Midlands airport is a couple of miles away with aircraft flying in and out all day long (and every day) making far more noise.

Sorry for the mini rant, but this is a sore subject with me.

[bella]

it's a topic covered extensively in the trackside forum as well, with specific regard to snetterton. personally, i think the nimby groups are largely populated by self-preservationist muppetry. the perpetuators of the aforementioned muppetry clearly have a problem with other people having fun in cars and making a bit of noise at the same time.

rant over.

[Dutch chap]

Ah, Bella you mentioned the nimby issue. The Zandvoort situation has been to the "supreme court" and it was their ruling. It was not a political issue (at least, not this time). There were 3 individuals complaining, the town of Bloemendaal (nearby Zandvoort; you pass it while entering the entering the town of Zandvoort) and 2 enviromental foundations. This IS a NIMBY case. And of course one of the individuals complaining is the founder (and only member) of one of the 2 foundations that complained. So that leaves 2 reasonable inhabtitants of the Zandvoort community that are to be taken serious about it.

I wonder, a certain amount of money could have helped. Why not go that way...?

[Go_For_Pole]

Originally Posted by Dutch chap

There were 3 individuals complaining, the town of Bloemendaal (nearby Zandvoort; you pass it while entering the entering the town of Zandvoort) and 2 enviromental foundations. And of course one of the individuals complaining is the founder (and only member) of one of the 2 foundations that complained. So that leaves 2 reasonable inhabtitants of the Zandvoort community that are to be taken serious about it.

My God, if this was not so bad for racing, it would be seriously funny

I think it should be called Motorsportphobia, a serious disease spreading near race tracks

[Obizzz]

Like Anderstorp in Sweden.. it's in the middle of f**king nowhere (really!) yet there's a few locals complaining about sound levels.

[bella]

i honestly don't get it. i mean, especially with zandvoort and bloemendaal (stayed there in 2005 - very nice), there's an influx of people for all their major motorsport events that create business for the hotels, restaurants, and they must rack up a nice amount of business for the beachside parking meters too. the noise is, well, these people choose to live there don't they. sometimes it is noisy. like sometimes it's a bit windier than normal, and sometimes it rains.

[strider]

If anyone's interested, the switch to Zolder has now been confirmed. The BP Ultimate Masters will be held there on August 3/4/5.

A change from the usual Zandvoort schedule is that testing will now be on Friday afternoon, qualifying on Saturday on Saturday and the race on Sunday. It's better, I think.