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Joshua Dowling has written today that Ford are out the door at the end of 2024 regardless of what happens from here on.
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Why didn't they develop one chassis with choice of Ford engine/body panels or Chevrolet engine/body panels?
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Whatever technical parity criteria they use is pretty esoteric.Although I know one poster is going to shoot it down again the only parity that counts is parity in numbers of race wins.
That obviously hasn’t happened so one of the only two manufacturers is out the door taking both their toys and the instruction manuals with them. A pyrrhic victory for those who supported the current process. |
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What happens when the 2 championship contending Chev teams smack the field on the Gold Coast even after the Ford teams get all their new panels, engine tweaks and kitchen sinks…
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You're saying teams should win regardless of the quality of their engineering, driving, or preparation. Technical parity gives equal chance of winning if all competitive elements are at their best, which is the only time anybody deserves to win. |
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888 should be in favour of that, it should suit them. If the pictures I have seen are correct, 888 had by far the most elaborate front uprights compared to Tickford or WAU items. It looks the 888 ones take hundreds upon hundreds of machining hours, and 888 can thus sell them on to teams in the "888 upgrade cycle" like Team 18 and Premiair Racing at a healthy premium.
It must take an outrageous amount of time to machine that truss bit in the middle with those little spars! 888 were also the original proponents of those truss-type diff housings that weren't completely necessary either, and sold those at a healthy margin too! Is it fair that the ability of teams like Tickford, BJR and WAU to do nearly as well with their own solutions and ideas while spending far less money has been taken away in favour of "pandering" to what Larry Perkins called "boltie" teams like Team18 -- they just bolt stuff on and off? The ability of a Ross Stone to say "those truss diff housings are dumb, they break a lot and need constant repairs, we've modified a standard banjo housing to move the Watts bracket further forward, it's plenty stiff enough, we can beat 888 and Walkinshaw and the teams running truss diff housings no problems" has been taken away. Surely this is not for the better?! Now not just 888 and 888 customer teams are lumbered with an over-engineered yet under-strength 888 laser cut gearshift tower bracket, but everyone is. Though at least only 888 themselves suffered a failure (or three failures) from it, this time... Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 12 Oct 2023 at 08:54. |
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I don't know why you and mixup are scared of a bit of competition?
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I think you are miss reading my post. Be careful what you wish for. You want to go open class, T8 would win everything year in year out. Bring back Penske and they will win everything. Money buys success. That's why rules are put in place to try a stem that, as much a possible.
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But teams like WAU and Tickford were happy to have the flexibility to engineer their own (more cost-effective) stuff and be somewhat competitive while doing so, no? There's two sides to the coin, no? On the one hand you buy stuff in because you don't have those skills, on the other hand you might do things in house because it is cheaper to do so (once you've already invested in having a machine shop, fabrication shop, composites shop etc)? Larry Perkins: "At one point there was talk of a control exhaust. If a good workshop can't make an exhaust, what is the world coming to? We don't want to be a category of bolties." Gen 3: The exhaust is a control part. :facepalm: You've got a situation where DJR have to ask for dispensation to run spacers on the rear suspension, as somebody (not them) decided the Gen 3 chassis should be much lower in the rear than the previous car and this has messed up their setup philosophy. It's all a bit silly. ----- In any case, a budget cap (similar to the one currently used in F1) was proposed in 2007 to make it a contest of engineering ideas and not a contest of spending. I wonder why that was cancelled?! Quote:
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