Group A Ford Sierra RS500

[PAUL S]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

I read somewhere that the 1990 car that was damaged at Goodwood, was sold to David Wong, of Team Petronas. I can't for the life of me remember where it was though, only last week I read it as well.

just did a quick google and this came up

http://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/rsocbb...d.php?p=905036

so seems to confirm David Wong now owns it

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

I read somewhere that the 1990 car that was damaged at Goodwood, was sold to David Wong, of Team Petronas. I can't for the life of me remember where it was though, only last week I read it as well.

Yes he does have it in his collection...

[racer2_uk]

Hi Andyb, Paul S and all,

It's good to see so much interest in these old car's and thank's for the interest in DJR1.

Stuart Jackson had lot's of scrutineering problem's in the Ford Saloon's / Vecta races as his Thundersalooned 500 didn't comply with the rules and all the other competitor's knew it.

I have been very lucky to have met many of the original driver's / constructor's over the year's with the high point being invited to Dick Johnson's race HQ a few year's ago.




Andyb, we must meet up with the car's at some point as they look so much better now.

Andy

[Mike Sheraton]

great pic,
why don't you join andy and race it next year.

[racer2_uk]

Hi Mike, if only genuine Group "A" car's were eligible I would think about it, why has there been a change of rules allowing the RS500's in the Classic Tourer's after so long ?


Andy

[Mike Sheraton]

erm, well, at the moment he will only be doing the classic thunder championship, that is if he does join

but at the club, i think they are discussing a group A class and maybe even series if enough filled the grids.
(but i'm not the guy to speak to, Al Weyman etc are the guys

[Al Weyman]

Dont get hopes up Mike there was not a lot of interest I only stuck it up for discussion, the cars can go into Classic Thunder no problem and beileve they always could.

[PAUL S]

Hi Andy

Your car looks superb in its DJR colours. On the autosport thread I started the owner of the original DJR car that came over for the TT has left a note to say its currently being restored and he would love to bring it over again once its finished.

It would be superb to see yours and the others battling it out again.

Its one of the original ex racers thats looking into getting them together again, not sure though how advanced the plans are, will send you a pm.

[Mike Sheraton]

ahh thats a shame, but still with 2-3 group A rs500's in classic thunder and plus a Group A bmw aswell, it will make for good racing, and the more group A cars that get together, the more it brings in other group a cars, if you see what i mean,

[racer2_uk]

Hi Mike, Paul and all,

You will have a lot of difficulty getting enough original Group "A" car's together in a race along with other non-Grp "A" car's due to the increasing value of the real car's, all Grp"A" together is less of a problem due to every driver taking the same care while racing.

Al, Grp"A" Sierra's were not allowed to race in their respective '86 to '90 class of the classic tourer's when I enquired, after further discussion it was obvious that the existing owner's of non turbo touring car's didn't want them, I am pleased this has changed.

Andy

[Mike Sheraton]

hi andy, nice to hear from you.
As i always try to state i am not a high authority in the CTCRC, infact i havnt completed my registration for next season yet, but i love the group A cars and im sure that it would bring the club a bit more prestige if we had more cars of racing history out there.

And i totally agree with you on the point that your cars are very valuable now, but from what i and others in the club will tell you is that the racing is VERY clean, yet still impressive and i'm sure that although nowhere near as expensive as the group A cars are coming to be, the racers will not be wanting to cause any damage to their beloved race cars as its not banger racing, or 'race an old nova, and smash it up at the end of the day' kind of stuff.

[Tim Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Mike Sheraton

'race an old nova, and smash it up at the end of the day' kind of stuff.

Yes, that's what all of us Nova drivers do. New car every time out for us.

Accidents happen, no matter how clean people aim to be - it's not just about the value of the cars, but also the attitude of the driver. And you can't tell much about someone just from the car they drive, can you?

[Mike Sheraton]

ow, i didnt mean it like that (nova just first car that was small that came to my head as we own one )
sorry if i have offended you, it was not intended, i mean the trackday wreckers who buy an ancient car and would not think twice if it was wrecked or totaled by the end of the day.

sorry,
Mike

[PAUL S]

If owners like Anthony Bamford will allow their 250 GTO to race hard, I am sure the current 500 owners would jump at the chance of an all 500 grid.

Off the top of my head I should imagine the following cars and owners would be on the grid:-

Petronas car - Graham Goode
Listerine car - Mike Newman
Shell DJR - Andy L
Kaliber Rouse - Andy R
BBR - Dave Brodie
Mobil Brock - not sure of the owners name
Brooklyn - again dont know the owners name
Labatts Rouse - Martin Johnston - Thundersaloon, so probably need a handicap
Yellow Rouse - again not sure of owner, used to compete in another formula
LUI wolf - back out again recently


and thats just the known cars in the UK, there are bound to be plenty that would come out of the woodwork, and I bet the Aussies would be up for bringing over a few examples if it was a support race to say the GP, like the old TT

[racer2_uk]

Hi to Paul S,

Thanks for putting my name down on your "imaginery racelist", I too would like to see these car's race together but not all of us could afford to repair or afford too loose one of these car's in the event of an incident, we haven't got huge amount's of money, just a fantastic old car that we bought many year's ago, that is why I have been happy too take my car to event's such as Goodwood Festival, Cholmondeley Pageant's and the great RSOC national day's.
I am sure Sir Anthony ( I used to work for him many year's ago ) doesn't want his car's to be driven slowly but if the worst happen's he is in a better position than most too have them repaired and I thank him for taking the risk to give us all such a great show.



To help with your car list,

Mobil Brock - Steve M
Brooklyn - Brooklyn Ford
Yellow Rouse - Andy K


Andy

[PAUL S]

thanks Andy

we can dream, do you know of any more UK based cars.

Just dug out an old magazine that had the yellow car featured in it, but you beat me to it. I guess it changed hands since as the owner was listed as a Martin Wren in 2002 - I didnt realise it was the CAM shipping car from 88 either chassis ARE 0388.

[Mike Sheraton]

i can definitly understand what you mean about expenses etc.
but if everyone outtheir was carefull then we would have no reason to worry.
great cars, would be a dream to see 2 or 3 racing together let alone 3+

[racer2_uk]

Hi Mike, the only way to make sure everyone was racing with equal care is to only allow genuine car's and then everybody would be in the same situation.

Andy

[grelley]

There has been a race put together in a fortnight at the New Zealand V8s at Ruapuna that will have the following Touring Cars: Cologne Capri, E30 M3 Super Tourism,2 x Grp A Sierra Cosworths,TWR Rover, GroupC,A 635, BMW 318 and 320 Super Tourers, BTCC Honda Accord,as well as various Touring Car replicas and 3 Porsche 911s to fill the field. There are also a number of genuine cars here in New Zealand that will come out for later proposed races. These cars include E30 M3s, and Sierra RS500s. There is a growing movement here to get a racing group for these cars going and there are probably 25-30 genuine cars here.

Grelley

[Al Weyman]

I think the problem here, and I take this from an article in one of the mags I was just reading, a car like the afore mentioned 250 GTO is quite frankly worth so much money that its not possible to 'write it off' where that means its costs more to repair than what the car is worth. that situation would not be the same with a a Group A Seirra I feel which I would imagine is worth what, absolute max £50,000 where as the 250 GTO over a million(?).

And Mike I think just maybe you ought to wait till you have got on the track and seen its not as easy to avoid incidents as you may think unless you want a procession then you will not get to see your beloved Group A cars driven like I suspect you are hoping. If you want to run the cars with the minimum of risk its a track day or a parade if you want to race regretfully things can and do happen.

[racer2_uk]

Hi Al, thanks for your wise word's, it is appreciated. I would also say your Ferrari price could be tripled or more !


Andy

[Al Weyman]

I was just guessing but you got the guiste of what I meant. :-) Funny enough I have a similar problem myself. I have an old peice of American iron here that needs a renovation but the problem is its currently probably not worth a lot more than what it could cost to renovate it if I had topay someone to do it unless I do it myself and I dont have the time, what do I do?

[racer2_uk]

Al,

I understand what you mean, I did the work on mine except for the bodywork and paint, it is worth it in the long run as the value of a well finished car far exceed's a well raced/tired example and you will feel very pleased with the result, you will be in love with your car again !

I am looking forward to seeing it.


Andy

[big andy]

is a group A sierra really worth £50000? ive just bought a wrc spec escort cossy for less than £20000

[racer2_uk]

Hi big andy,

50k and up for a car with good history, the more win's the better.

If your car has a good international history, is in good condition, look after it as you race it, keep it, when it get's to 25-30 year's old check out the value, like you I didn't buy mine for an investment, it's just the way it turned out.


Andy