Driver Nico vs Michael - Page 22

herowassenna · 7 Jun 2010, 23:49 (Ref:2706432)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

therefore it's no shame for Rosberg to lose to him.

And how will it terminate Rosberg's career?

I'm guessing that if Rosberg does finish behind the shoe, he really ranks somewhere between Irvine and Barrichello. A very good second rank driver but no superstar.
I'm not aware of his karting history, but to be honest I haven't seen anything that makes him stand out as exceptional.
I wonder if Rosberg is seen as better than he is, because of who his father is. Much the same as Nelson Piquet or Jacques Villeneuve.

Schummy · 8 Jun 2010, 02:22 (Ref:2706467)

Or Damon Hill?

Teretonga · 13 Jun 2010, 05:34 (Ref:2710552)

I think Rosberg is good, possibly ,very good, and possibly better than his father.

He was very quick in karts when he was teamed with Lewis Hamilton in the McLaren-Mercedes backed kart team and at that point you would have thought there was very little to choose between them.

ralf fan · 13 Jun 2010, 18:13 (Ref:2711296)

Michael back to his nasty self I see.

His race was lol worthy.

OZ_HCR32 · 13 Jun 2010, 18:15 (Ref:2711299)

Well Schuey was making himself look like a rookie today. He could not get as much out of his tyres as Rosberg, something a rookie would struggle to do. Got swallowed up by rookies/young punks in STRs and Force Indias. He was made to look like a rookie with his chain being yanked by the amount of times he did a Webber and did too uch underbrakes and missed corners

Hopefully it is just another bad weekend and he can improve soon. Otherwise surely Heidfled is itching to be given a chance. Though that will never happen as that would be a PR disaster for Mercedes

blaffer · 13 Jun 2010, 18:24 (Ref:2711309)

There are no words for Schumacher's display this weekend.

**Born Racer** · 13 Jun 2010, 18:31 (Ref:2711320)

When Schumacher has bad weekends like this, he tends to make a catalogue of errors. It's not new, but combine this with his lack of pace and you have this bizarre situation. Bizarre because Michael Schumacher has never before struggled with Formula 1 for any length of time.

Super Hans · 13 Jun 2010, 18:34 (Ref:2711325)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

When Schumacher has bad weekends like this, he tends to make a catalogue of errors.

True.

Even at his peak, when he had a bad weekend, he had a really bad weekend.

Fox89 · 13 Jun 2010, 18:34 (Ref:2711326)

Yeah Nico really showed up his illustrious team mate here. Not being on the pace is one thing, but Schumacher was the most dangerous driver on the track today bar none.

strider · 13 Jun 2010, 19:52 (Ref:2711402)

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Originally Posted by blaffer

There are no words for Schumacher's display this weekend.

Sad and desperate come to mind.

Mr V · 13 Jun 2010, 20:01 (Ref:2711415)

Dangerous would be another!

Super Hans · 13 Jun 2010, 20:10 (Ref:2711423)

When he did this sort of thing during his golden years, opinion was always split, but not now. It shows how far his star has fallen.

Schummy · 13 Jun 2010, 20:15 (Ref:2711427)

He was desesperately trying to look for Jacques Villeneuve to crash with. Sometimes I even thought he was going to crash with Gilles statue.

Teretonga · 13 Jun 2010, 21:10 (Ref:2711474)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

When Schumacher has bad weekends like this, he tends to make a catalogue of errors. It's not new, but combine this with his lack of pace and you have this bizarre situation. Bizarre because Michael Schumacher has never before struggled with Formula 1 for any length of time.

Michael was at his zenith when he was able to run at maximum pace ina series of short sprints with a car optimised for maximum performance. That is no fuel worries, no unnecessary weight, superb handling, and a new set of tyres of the most appropriate compound.

I always thought that Grand Prix driving was traditionally about more than just going fast. many of the great drives involved more than just speed, they involved tactics and judgements, the ability to conserve the car etc.

Michael has a different task ahead of him in 2010. And its not as easy for him as it was 10 years ago.
Yes he is a great driver but has this year has highlighted some of the short comings in his repetiore that were masked in earlier years (1995-2005)?

I think that he now has a lot more to deal with than just driving fast, and maybe its beginning to show.

Massa_number1 · 13 Jun 2010, 22:09 (Ref:2711513)

masked his shortcomings?

umm isnt this the guy who drove over half a race stuck in 5th gear after being told on the radio its hopeless he then changes his lines on the track until he can find a way to set competitive laptimes?

the man is supremely talented no doubt and i would guess knows more about F1 cars that any other driver on the grid right now and what it takes to make them faster but of course if your asking has he lost his talents with age thats open to debate but i would love to see how he would be performing against nico if they both drover say a redbull or a car that had very few issues with performance ect

**Bononi** · 13 Jun 2010, 22:24 (Ref:2711526)

He's old, that's it. Period.

pannenmann · 14 Jun 2010, 01:10 (Ref:2711574)

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Originally Posted by Massa_number1

masked his shortcomings?

umm isnt this the guy who drove over half a race stuck in 5th gear after being told on the radio its hopeless he then changes his lines on the track until he can find a way to set competitive laptimes?

the man is supremely talented no doubt and i would guess knows more about F1 cars that any other driver on the grid right now and what it takes to make them faster but of course if your asking has he lost his talents with age thats open to debate but i would love to see how he would be performing against nico if they both drover say a redbull or a car that had very few issues with performance ect

You just prove that the car is NOT the problem. It's driver. He used to be able to compete in car that only has one gear. And now he can't even compete in a car that is able to finish within the top 10. Got beaten by his teammate - again. It's the driver, not the car. So it doesn't matter if he would drive RB or McL or Ferrari, he won't be as good as he used to be at the current point in time.

Knowlesy · 14 Jun 2010, 01:42 (Ref:2711581)

I felt embarrassed to be watching TGF in that race. Horrible.

I think he should stand down and let someone decent have a crack.

**Born Racer** · 14 Jun 2010, 02:28 (Ref:2711608)

It wasn't that bad a race from Michael. The incidents weren't too clever though.

His start was lightening, making up a lot of places, and the decision to run the softs for so long in that last stint was a mistake.

ralf fan · 14 Jun 2010, 02:37 (Ref:2711612)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

It wasn't that bad a race from Michael.

You are right. It wasn't bad. It was horrendous.

It was so bad that I did feel sorry for him when he was tooling around in the 1.24s and making 3 stops in the first 35 laps despite his questionable racing tactics.

**Born Racer** · 14 Jun 2010, 02:45 (Ref:2711613)

I still think he'll get it together and become a competitor with Rosberg, but I may be in an ever-decreasing group of those who think that.

Knowlesy · 14 Jun 2010, 03:06 (Ref:2711619)

Just wait until Monaco!

Dutton · 14 Jun 2010, 03:24 (Ref:2711621)

He managed to get to 4th from 13th after 9 laps (less than 5 seconds behind the leader). That wasn't exactly too awful.

What really screwed his race was when he had to make two stops in the space of a couple of laps (the second due to that off he had - so a self-created problem, certainly [in part, at least]). That incident with Massa was bad because he ended up hitting Massa, but the line he used wasn't really any different to what drivers regularly use in defence going into that turn (rather less extreme than some cases).

It wasn't a very good performance for the fact he made way too many small errors, plus running way too long on the softs.

It certainly wasn't a stunning showing, but I don't think it was totally and utterly hopeless.

Schummy · 14 Jun 2010, 09:50 (Ref:2711759)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

I don't think it was totally and utterly hopeless.

Very true, it was not totally and utterly hopeless, it was simply hopeless

And his race fast lap time was abysmal. In qualifying he was clearly over- performed by Rosberg, in a Michael favorite track. A bad weekend, the face of Norbert "Manager" Haug told everything.

Marbot · 14 Jun 2010, 10:29 (Ref:2711780)

Nick Heidfeld must be wondering what the hell is going on! Embarrassing to watch and he's just as stubborn as ever.

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