WEC LMP Future Regulations (was Le Mans EVO rules - now hypercar rules) - Page 222

TF110 · 20 Mar 2018, 02:48 (Ref:3809249)

This might belong in the hillclimb section, but this looks a lot like the future direction lmp1 wants to take and I wouldn't mind if they do look this way, complete with outrageously big rear wing+endplates and splitter-

the electric VW I.D. R

EffectiveSprinkles · 20 Mar 2018, 04:26 (Ref:3809262)

Looks cool, but then it says electric and I lose all interest.

Ospi · 20 Mar 2018, 04:30 (Ref:3809263)

It's perfect for a hillclimb where it's short range doesn't compromise it and neither does the altitude. Would be a complete beast.

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TF110 · 20 Mar 2018, 04:47 (Ref:3809264)

I'm not for the super silent electric cars either, but it's a cool looking machine. If it achieves it's goal of besting the electric record at Pikes Peak I wonder if VW tries to expand on it's use. I hope it's not a one-off because it's seemingly a pretty big project. Lmp1 pilot Romain Dumas driving the thing too. It's also true that all-electric has a long way to go to do lmp1 speeds and distance.

Jam3s · 20 Mar 2018, 04:56 (Ref:3809265)

I wouldn't be surprised if it beat the all time record at PP.

Deleted · 20 Mar 2018, 05:58 (Ref:3809272)

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Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

Looks cool, but then it says electric and I lose all interest.

But like it or not it is the future road cars are going towards on long term, and Le Mans should reflect on that with certain capacity, at least for the works cars... there are many other events and series that stick to 1960's if that's what one is into

Besides, noise wise, we already had a period of factory cars running conventional diesels that sounded like boring silent vacuum cleaners, but it didn't kill of the show or take it away from those cars

The only thing that really needs to happen before any bigger implementation (as in electric power being the primary source of power and not just add-in) is for the tech to catch up, and not to be gimmicky like in FE with glorified, slow, cheap spec cars and embarrassing chassis swaps after couple of laps of running because the battery tech is in the level of kindergarten still

EffectiveSprinkles · 20 Mar 2018, 06:21 (Ref:3809276)

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But like it or not it is the future road cars are going towards on long term

The more people say that the more I doubt it. Everyone seems to parrot this without any justification in my opinion.

Deleted · 20 Mar 2018, 06:34 (Ref:3809279)

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Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

The more people say that the more I doubt it. Everyone seems to parrot this without any justification in my opinion.

I don't know how it is in the US but the winds are certainly changing in Europe

TF110 · 20 Mar 2018, 08:38 (Ref:3809305)

I think suv's will be popular for a long time here in the states. But the trendy thing is electrification. I don't see that going away but I do see it increasing.

**Bentley03** · 20 Mar 2018, 09:10 (Ref:3809315)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I think suv's will be popular for a long time here in the states. But the trendy thing is electrification. I don't see that going away but I do see it increasing.

Things are certainly moving that way, it's no coincidence we've lost two top tier manufacturer programmes to Formula E, it is now deemed more relevant.

Deleted · 20 Mar 2018, 09:13 (Ref:3809317)

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Things are certainly moving that way, it's no coincidence we've lost two top tier manufacturer programmes to Formula E, it is now deemed more relevant.

Cheap, easy and relevant you mean, in that order

**Bentley03** · 20 Mar 2018, 09:54 (Ref:3809323)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Cheap, easy and relevant you mean, in that order

It's all about ROI, nothing new there.

EffectiveSprinkles · 20 Mar 2018, 10:33 (Ref:3809335)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

It's all about ROI, nothing new there.

With the slight caviat that the vast majority of the R part of that equation disappeared

TF110 · 20 Mar 2018, 15:59 (Ref:3809407)

F-E is cheap pr for these manufacturers. Much cheaper than f1 and probably lmp1. But it's a niche market in terms of racing, at least to the fans imo. I know that some media people try to play it up but it's not a big deal right now.

Deleted · 22 Mar 2018, 06:26 (Ref:3809796)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Much cheaper than f1 and probably lmp1..

I suspect more in the level of GTE-AM

Akrapovic · 23 Mar 2018, 21:32 (Ref:3810242)

Formula E budget for a works-backed team is sub €20m. Some as low as €5-10m. Early budget caps were around €3m, but budget gaps are unenforceable.

TF110 · 23 Mar 2018, 23:28 (Ref:3810262)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Formula E budget for a works-backed team is sub €20m. Some as low as €5-10m. Early budget caps were around €3m, but budget gaps are unenforceable.

It'll surely increase as soon as the rules are opened up a little more. Porsche and Audi are there so it's only a matter of time before their wallets are opened more. Then the same teams who are there because it's cheap will be gone and the cycle will repeat like it has in most forms of motorsport.

Akrapovic · 24 Mar 2018, 08:59 (Ref:3810360)

I'm in complete agreement. It's a timebomb before those budgets get out of hand at a record rate.

EffectiveSprinkles · 24 Mar 2018, 09:31 (Ref:3810366)

Maybe they will introduce BoP, because that always stops escalating costs!

hondafan37 · 28 Mar 2018, 00:48 (Ref:3811385)

This is the ORECA 02 LMP1 with Peugeot HDi engine, the aborted project ...

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/lor...projet-avorte/

TF110 · 28 Mar 2018, 04:34 (Ref:3811403)

Looks good. Too bad it never materialized. That nose cone looks familiar...

Deleted · 30 Mar 2018, 19:18 (Ref:3812005)

This hasn't really got much to do with anything but found it interesting. On Jenson Button's youtube page, where he has new behind the scenes web series going on about his Super GT campaign, he's now in few of the videos talked about comparisons with GT500 to P1 and P2. Even in the most recent one released just couple of hours ago he - seemingly proudly - mentions of them being just four seconds slower than LMP1 at Fuji, which in turn he's somewhat described as F1 of sportscars

It's interesting of Honda personnel to look at these things...

TF110 · 30 Mar 2018, 19:39 (Ref:3812011)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

This hasn't really got much to do with anything but found it interesting. On Jenson Button's youtube page, where he has new behind the scenes web series going on about his Super GT campaign, he's now in few of the videos talked about comparisons with GT500 to P1 and P2. Even in the most recent one released just couple of hours ago he - seemingly proudly - mentions of them being just four seconds slower than LMP1 at Fuji, which in turn he's somewhat described as F1 of sportscars

It's interesting of Honda personnel to look at these things...

I want to believe that Honda has interest in lmp1 in the future when I see things like this from him.

MaskedRacer · 30 Mar 2018, 19:50 (Ref:3812014)

Yes please. Can somebody at Ford make this the real deal one day!

https://twitter.com/Ovale_Bleu/statu...-prologue.html

TzeiTzei · 2 Apr 2018, 05:43 (Ref:3812411)

Do the rules allow a car manufacturer to make a non-hybrid customer car for privateers? I'm thinking if someone like Porsche wanted to modify the 919 for non-hybrid regulations and sell it.

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