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I've always thought WEC would have suited BMW perfectly.
Cheaper than F1, a chance to race directly against rival Audi on a global stage and some open and fairly 'eco/green' rules which would have played right into their hands for marketing BMW cars' 'Efficient Dynamics' or however they brand them these days. |
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Thanks for the clarification Sam.
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yesterday, during the LM qualifying session, the italian eurosport host Villani told, about possible ferrari lmp1, an anecdote: before the 2014 Daytona, he asked Bertolini if he were fit and ready to race and the answer was " I don't know, maybe for the next 3 months I have to test something with full effort..."
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If they keep the rules regarding powertrains the same and make adjustments to the rules regarding aero would it really be that big of a deal if a team first ran in 16?? The majority of the teams are doing aero upgrades every season anyway so I wonder if this would be a major issue. |
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agree, what's the point to join in 2016 with a car that can be used only for one season. Anyway surely manufacturers know better than us how 2017 regs will be...
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When you look into it though it seems obvious what must change. Manufacturers are liking the open engine rules and hybrid options, they aren't liking the way the cars look. They want manufacturer traits to be one show. To me the easiest ways to identify a car are the grill and headlights/taillights. The ACO aren't going to change what's got manufacturers interested, but they want to get those manufacturers involved. If they want the cars to have a resemblance to street cars then they have to look at the aero regs! |
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hahaha. They'll face an angry mob if they pull out at this rate.
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Yeah, agreed to that. If they want brand recognition, might as well race in an LMP2 with manufacturer clothing, or race in other silhouette series like NASCAR, Super GT, DTM, etc.
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The headlights and tailights are the most important ones I think. For instance you can tell the 98GT1 Porsche is a Porsche from the headlights, same with the Merc clk/clr. I don't know how they'd do it though! |
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The V12LMR is one of the worst perpetrators!
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Not massively. Again, there are some 14 Ferraris racing at Le Mans this year.
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So what I would do is: 1. increase the min. width of the cockpit (wihout making it boxy like the DPs) This will also prompt designers to use less vertical widshields. 2. limit apertures, especially at the front (send air over and around the cars like sports cars do, not through the cars as openwheels do). 3. limit sharp angles (via min. tangent radius rule similar to the one effectively used to stipulate curvy and uncluttered sidepods of post-2009 F1 cars behind the rear view mirror exclusion area) in order to keep the bodywork between the fenders and the nose/engine cover from being lowered so dramatically. With a workable general shape manufacturers will happily add their styling cues with headlights/grilles etc. without the rules making them! + (regardless of the easthetics phylosophy) 4. get rid of the flat floor, compoensate the loss of DF by more efficient underbody aero. Implement new anti-take-off-at-yaw features/devices within the new floor design, lose the damn BHF and BHHs! Last edited by Pandamasque; 13 Jun 2014 at 16:29. |
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Just say no to P cars that look like street cars.
That's what GT is for. You want to race your street car, go to GT...otherwise build a dedicated race car that doesn't look like a street car. |
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Meanwhile, looking at Pandamasque's post, I can only agree on increasing the width of the cockpit area. Besides, Ferrari doesn't need to have styling cues when they make LMP1 cars in the future, other than their Formula One cars. |
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13 Jun 2014, 16:47 (Ref:3419983) | #573 | ||
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right.....I know they do.
The point I'm making here is that prototypes don't need to look like the street cars. Don't even need styling cues... |
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Paint it red with some yellow and a prancing horse and the whole world knows it's a Ferrari.
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