Ferrari P1 Rumours

[JoestForEver]

Originally Posted by ss_collins

Morning all,

Clarification time. RCE has never said that there is a Ford LMP1 project, when asked by RLM at the Nissan launch who might come back Andrew Cotton @racecared said "Ford & BMW" - he never said that they were coming back. This has largely been misunderstood.

Also we believe that there is a significant Ford motorsport programme in the offing - we do not know what it is but we suspect it involves Cosworth - we have run this story before - Here

We don't believe that there is going to be a manufacturer returning announcement on Saturday, but we think that there was one planned which was cancelled. Keep your eyes on Dailysportscar and Racecar Engineering sites on Friday.

Another clarification, yes I have signed NDA's with a number of organisations over the years, its standard practice.

As for Ferrari, its clear they are evaluating Le Mans, be crazy not to really, but then Jaguar has also evaluated it (and perhaps still is) - but we don't expect any announcement from them this week (or indeed any time soon).

Thanks for the clarification Sam. Speaking of the announcement, @chernaudi does remind me that this is the last year Dr.Ullrich directing the Audi Sport. The announcement could be that ACO/FIA decides to offer a crucial position for Wolfgang after his retirement from Audi?

[LMP1]

I've always thought WEC would have suited BMW perfectly.

Cheaper than F1, a chance to race directly against rival Audi on a global stage and some open and fairly 'eco/green' rules which would have played right into their hands for marketing BMW cars' 'Efficient Dynamics' or however they brand them these days.

[Canada ALMS fan]

Thanks for the clarification Sam.

[manthey]

yesterday, during the LM qualifying session, the italian eurosport host Villani told, about possible ferrari lmp1, an anecdote: before the 2014 Daytona, he asked Bertolini if he were fit and ready to race and the answer was " I don't know, maybe for the next 3 months I have to test something with full effort..."

[GT3.14]

https://twitter.com/racetechmag/stat...73245305581569

[deggis]

Originally Posted by GT3.14

https://twitter.com/racetechmag/stat...73245305581569

http://racetechmag.com/latest-news/s...t-le-mans.html

It is understood that 'a new manufacturer' will be announced at the Le Mans press conference on Saturday morning, alongside Nissan which has already confirmed its participation in LMP1 next year. Much like the Japanese manufacturer, it's thought that Ferrari is planning to field a Box 56 car in the first year of the programme, followed by a full LMP1 campaign in 2016.

Busted, because that makes no sense assuming that new rules come in 2017. If they don't, then it obviously wouldn't matter.

[Bandicoot17]

Originally Posted by deggis

http://racetechmag.com/latest-news/s...t-le-mans.html


Busted, because that makes no sense assuming that new rules come in 2017. If they don't, then it obviously wouldn't matter.

Doesn't it really depend on what the new rules are??

If they keep the rules regarding powertrains the same and make adjustments to the rules regarding aero would it really be that big of a deal if a team first ran in 16?? The majority of the teams are doing aero upgrades every season anyway so I wonder if this would be a major issue.

[carbon_titanium]

agree, what's the point to join in 2016 with a car that can be used only for one season. Anyway surely manufacturers know better than us how 2017 regs will be...

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Bandicoot17

Doesn't it really depend on what the new rules are??

If they keep the rules regarding powertrains the same and make adjustments to the rules regarding aero would it really be that big of a deal if a team first ran in 16?? The majority of the teams are doing aero upgrades every season anyway so I wonder if this would be a major issue.

I would hope it's just that, but now it has been mentioned so many times that it has given the impression that it would be a bigger deal. But maybe this has actually been blown out proportions because if it wasn't for the mention in the Nissan anouncement press release [reasoning why the program is for two years for now], we stil might not have heard about this.

[Bandicoot17]

Originally Posted by deggis

I would hope it's just that, but now it has been mentioned so many times that it has given the impression that it would be a bigger deal. But maybe this has actually been blown out proportions because if it wasn't for the mention in the Nissan anouncement press release [reasoning why the program is for two years for now], we stil might not have heard about this.

I'd agree that it's been blown out of proportion.

When you look into it though it seems obvious what must change.
Manufacturers are liking the open engine rules and hybrid options, they aren't liking the way the cars look. They want manufacturer traits to be one show. To me the easiest ways to identify a car are the grill and headlights/taillights.
The ACO aren't going to change what's got manufacturers interested, but they want to get those manufacturers involved. If they want the cars to have a resemblance to street cars then they have to look at the aero regs!

[Bandicoot17]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8mnHMnoLm0

Please don't be trolling me Ferrari

[Articus]

hahaha. They'll face an angry mob if they pull out at this rate.

[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by Bandicoot17

I'd agree that it's been blown out of proportion.

When you look into it though it seems obvious what must change.
Manufacturers are liking the open engine rules and hybrid options, they aren't liking the way the cars look. They want manufacturer traits to be one show. To me the easiest ways to identify a car are the grill and headlights/taillights.
The ACO aren't going to change what's got manufacturers interested, but they want to get those manufacturers involved. If they want the cars to have a resemblance to street cars then they have to look at the aero regs!

Personally, I think that LMP1's should look like prototypes. I would hate to see them look like glorified super cars. Just my opinion.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Bandicoot17

To me the easiest ways to identify a car are the grill and headlights/taillights.

How are you going to regulate road car grills, as a stupid looking (on a prototype) grill isn't going to make the car faster? Natural selection.

To me it is too Nascar: http://i.imgur.com/wtLJhOl.jpg

[MagVanisher]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Personally, I think that LMP1's should look like prototypes. I would hate to see them look like glorified super cars. Just my opinion.

Yeah, agreed to that. If they want brand recognition, might as well race in an LMP2 with manufacturer clothing, or race in other silhouette series like NASCAR, Super GT, DTM, etc.

[Bandicoot17]

Originally Posted by deggis

How are you going to regulate road car grills, as a stupid looking (on a prototype) grill isn't going to make the car faster? Natural selection.

To me it is too Nascar: http://i.imgur.com/wtLJhOl.jpg

Never said I liked it! It's just what I feel is likely to change.
The headlights and tailights are the most important ones I think. For instance you can tell the 98GT1 Porsche is a Porsche from the headlights, same with the Merc clk/clr.

I don't know how they'd do it though!

[Articus]

The V12LMR is one of the worst perpetrators!

[Richard T]

Originally Posted by Bandicoot17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8mnHMnoLm0

Please don't be trolling me Ferrari

That is just wierd :S

[Rodger Davies]

Not massively. Again, there are some 14 Ferraris racing at Le Mans this year.

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by Bandicoot17

Never said I liked it! It's just what I feel is likely to change.
The headlights and tailights are the most important ones I think. For instance you can tell the 98GT1 Porsche is a Porsche from the headlights, same with the Merc clk/clr.

I don't know how they'd do it though!

The biggest thing preventing super-car looks on current LMPs is that they're basically made out of 5 tear drop-shaped "pods": one for the cabin and drivetrain and 4 smaller ones for wheels. The bodywork between them is incredibly low and mostly consists of aero devices and empty space.

So what I would do is:
1. increase the min. width of the cockpit (wihout making it boxy like the DPs) This will also prompt designers to use less vertical widshields.
2. limit apertures, especially at the front (send air over and around the cars like sports cars do, not through the cars as openwheels do).
3. limit sharp angles (via min. tangent radius rule similar to the one effectively used to stipulate curvy and uncluttered sidepods of post-2009 F1 cars behind the rear view mirror exclusion area) in order to keep the bodywork between the fenders and the nose/engine cover from being lowered so dramatically.

With a workable general shape manufacturers will happily add their styling cues with headlights/grilles etc. without the rules making them!

+ (regardless of the easthetics phylosophy) 4. get rid of the flat floor, compoensate the loss of DF by more efficient underbody aero. Implement new anti-take-off-at-yaw features/devices within the new floor design, lose the damn BHF and BHHs!

[MoMedic9019]

Just say no to P cars that look like street cars.

That's what GT is for. You want to race your street car, go to GT...otherwise build a dedicated race car that doesn't look like a street car.

[MagVanisher]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Just say no to P cars that look like street cars.

That's what GT is for. You want to race your street car, go to GT...otherwise build a dedicated race car that doesn't look like a street car.

Ferrari already have that covered with AF Corse 458 Italia GTE car.

Meanwhile, looking at Pandamasque's post, I can only agree on increasing the width of the cockpit area. Besides, Ferrari doesn't need to have styling cues when they make LMP1 cars in the future, other than their Formula One cars.

[MoMedic9019]

right.....I know they do.

The point I'm making here is that prototypes don't need to look like the street cars. Don't even need styling cues...

[Bandicoot17]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

right.....I know they do.

The point I'm making here is that prototypes don't need to look like the street cars. Don't even need styling cues...

The manufacturers interested obviously disagree based on what's being said by people like RLM.

[FIRE]

Paint it red with some yellow and a prancing horse and the whole world knows it's a Ferrari.