My Tracks

[Purist]

Sometimes they even teamed Derek and Jackie up in the same car. What I'm saying is, all things considered, Ickx IMHO is/was a better driver than Tom. TK is not a bad driver by any means, but it's a different time, and he has the luxury of a number of things that Ickx had no possibility of having when he raced. You understand where I'm coming from?

Now, how about those fantasy tracks? Those last couple Carribean tracks looked pretty good.

[the_royksopp]

Yeah, let's get back to the tracks

[Lustigson]

Every time I watch the US Grand Prix at Indianapolis, an old rumour comes to mind. It's about the track that is currently used at Indy having been designed only for the debut race (2000). For 2001 the track was supposed to be run in the same direction as the oval, probably with a number of changes to the track itself. Any of you guys know about that?

[pirenzo]

I think that was optomism when people first saw the layout with that hopeless T7-11 section.
Any more news on Ralf btw? Big smash.
It did occur to me with Mark Blundell's comments about Champ cars being considerably heavier and so able to take much bigger impacts (IIRC some guy crashed head on into a wall at 210mph and the throttle trace just went from max to zero in a split second and it was the highest recorded G load from an accident ever recorded and the guy got away with bruising ).
It sorta occured to me, make the cars heavier (say 800kg) and they would be a) slower, b) more impact resisant (so less run-off, faster circuits, spectators closer etc) and c) braking distances would be greatly increased so overtaking would be better. I don't mean 200kg worth of ballast either, I mean 200kg of Carbon Fibre etc...

[pirenzo]

I was going to go to the BSB race at Brands yesterday but didn't. I've just seen on www.crash.net that there was a fatality in a support race with 4 other riders badly hurt

[Chaynes321]

Wow, time since we had a fantasy circuit up ... so heres mine, drew it while watching Indy GP, -> talk about early race chaos!

[pirenzo]

Well, the way I understand things now fast corners aren't good for overtaking if placed before a straight...
i.e T7, 10, 12 (mainly T7)...

[pirenzo]

OK, heres something. Feel free to demolish

[pirenzo]

Another

[Chaynes321]

a dont understand, at Indy the banked corner is excellent for overtacking purposes, ???

[the_royksopp]

a dont understand, at Indy the banked corner is excellent for overtacking purposes, ???

Ehh... no .

The problem with fast corners is, that it strings the cars out in one line, and that it's very difficult to follow eachther thru. Much like in esses .

[the_royksopp]

CG, you wont be able to overtake anywhere on that one.

It's clockwise, right?

Well, you'd get passing in T1 (lower pitlane), and obviously in the turn in the lower righthand corner. Otherwise not.

I wont make an edit, the track would be unrecognizable then .

[pirenzo]

Originally posted by the_royksopp
Ehh... no .

The problem with fast corners is, that it strings the cars out in one line, and that it's very difficult to follow eachther thru. Much like in esses .

Ah, actually its the dirty air from the car infront disturbing the front wing of the car behind giving them excessive understeer forcing them to back out of the throttle in the fast corners, thus losing ground...
The banked corner at Indy is totally flat out, the car doesn't need to generate much front end downforce to get though there...

[Chaynes321]

yer and my turn 7 would also be flat out ... ?!?

[pirenzo]

but flat out in an Indy kinda way, or flat out in a Sepang turn 5 kinda way? It has to be easy, easy flat out, not only just flat out.

[the_royksopp]

Like Indy .

Alright, i had a go at your first track, P.

It's clockwise?

I slightly loosened T1 (the exit is supposed to be more smooth, but it's just a quick sketch ). The previous T1 was a bit too tight.

I changed the section after T3 (if you count the slight kink at T2), to make whats now T7 a bit more Sunway Lagoon. The esses are different too.

i loosed the final of the back-esses.

Then i changed the final section. The original one was quite bad . My version is probably as horrible, but i just think it looks better that way .

[Chaynes321]

On the Indy theme, I decided to do a roval. This is far from ideal though I just drew it...
(Anti-Clockwise)

[pirenzo]

TR, they can both be run either way really...

[Chaynes321]

( one my first one, i intended turn 7 to be easy, easy ... ie did you see Sato one-handed through that turn while slightly adjusting his seat!! lol

[Chaynes321]

or sumthing in his car ...

[Purist]

Interesting to point out that a number of tracks that are considered the best in the world have little, if any, conpletely straight sections. Spa is never straight really. The Nordschleife had just those straights around the pit area. The rest was turns, kinks, and "lazy" bends. Mosport just has the front straight. Road America has its front straight (yes it does make up nearly a quarter of the track's length). You get the idea though.

The igher performance race cars are getting a bit too aerodynamically dependent I think. I don't know, but none of those tracks lookwd like anything that great, considering what I've seen you guys being capable of producing. On that roval, take out that silly chicane in the middle of the infield.

[pirenzo]

Well, the Ring had a pretty long straight which the cars reached about 185mph down in the early 70s (with the drag of wings and cars geared for the twisty bits remember).
In fact after Spa it was the second longest straight, and longest true straight (the longest runs at Spa had slight kinks in them)

[the_royksopp]

Looks nice, CG .

P, i didnt really have to edit your second track after all. It's quite nice (clockwise). It'd especially be great for a club-circuit!

[shiny side up!]

Here is a new street circuit in downtown Detroit. The old GP circuit used in the early/mid 80s is in black (went ccw), my new circuit is in red (clockwise) with the pits/paddock in blue. It should offer some decent overtaking opportunities, and isn't comprised of solely 90 degree corners like some street circuits, although a few were unavoidable...

[the_royksopp]

Looks nice