Rocketsports to launch Jaguar XKR GT2 - Page 25

wheelz22 · 25 Jul 2010, 13:01 (Ref:2732149)

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Originally Posted by jaguarista

a little step forward for the JaguarRSR in last ALMS event. Lime Rock

Nice to see a positive comment here (now and then).....

Matt · 25 Jul 2010, 15:36 (Ref:2732453)

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Originally Posted by wheelz22

Nice to see a positive comment here (now and then).....

As I said in the race thread, I was cheering them on hardcore during the race, and stood up and applauded when they crossed the line for the checkers(along with many other people around me who became supporters due to my constant cheering, hah).

**Aysedasi** · 25 Jul 2010, 17:03 (Ref:2732588)

There is that old saying, 'if you've got nothing nice to say......'

**Adam43** · 25 Jul 2010, 17:08 (Ref:2732593)

'......this would have been a very short thread'.

HORNDAWG · 25 Jul 2010, 17:12 (Ref:2732597)

But longer than some would think!

L.P.

**Bentley03** · 25 Jul 2010, 17:47 (Ref:2732632)

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Originally Posted by wheelz22

Nice to see a positive comment here (now and then).....

Ooh, I've got one...........

The car has a very nice livery!

**joeb** · 25 Jul 2010, 18:24 (Ref:2732656)

How about this: they have been the top finishing car on Yokohama tires in every alms this season!

Speed-King · 25 Jul 2010, 18:27 (Ref:2732659)

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Originally Posted by joeb

How about this: they have been the top finishing car on Yokohama tires in every alms this season!

GTC races on Yokohama...

**joeb** · 25 Jul 2010, 19:25 (Ref:2732708)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

GTC races on Yokohama...

ahhh, I forgot! Ok, so top finisher in gt on Yok's!

**Aysedasi** · 25 Jul 2010, 20:46 (Ref:2732802)

There you see, you can do it, y'all!

**Bentley03** · 25 Jul 2010, 21:53 (Ref:2732869)

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Originally Posted by joeb

ahhh, I forgot! Ok, so top finisher in gt on Yok's!

Don't you have to finish to be top finisher?

**joeb** · 25 Jul 2010, 22:17 (Ref:2732889)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

Don't you have to finish to be top finisher?

Hahahahaha. They have finished a few races (after lengthy pit stops).

dxk1 · 26 Jul 2010, 17:20 (Ref:2733476)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Hahahahaha. They have finished a few races (after lengthy pit stops).

I guess you have to give credit where credit is due. RSR has been getting a lot of criticism and well deserved at that. Even so, you have to admit they are making some progress. At Sebring they managed only 11 laps, at Long Beach they managed 45 laps (67% of the winner) and were not officially classified, at Monterey they managed 191 laps (80.6% of the winners) and were classified as 31st overall and 13 in Class. After the Laguna race they certainly had set-backs at Le Mans (a pathetic 4 laps) and at Salt Lake with only 57 laps (62.6% and not classified). However, Lime Rock has to be a giant step forward with them completing 152 laps (88.9%) and finishing 15th overall and 9th in Class (and also beating all but the leading GTC car). I agree, this is nothing to be very proud of but progress none the less. A similar improvement over the next three races and maybe they will be challenging the slower GTs for some 6ths, 7ths or 8ths in class. If Jaguar would get more actively involved (money and technology) maybe a decent product for next year. Oh well, one can dream.

DK

**joeb** · 26 Jul 2010, 18:10 (Ref:2733515)

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Originally Posted by dxk1

I guess you have to give credit where credit is due. RSR has been getting a lot of criticism and well deserved at that. Even so, you have to admit they are making some progress. At Sebring they managed only 11 laps, at Long Beach they managed 45 laps (67% of the winner) and were not officially classified, at Monterey they managed 191 laps (80.6% of the winners) and were classified as 31st overall and 13 in Class. After the Laguna race they certainly had set-backs at Le Mans (a pathetic 4 laps) and at Salt Lake with only 57 laps (62.6% and not classified). However, Lime Rock has to be a giant step forward with them completing 152 laps (88.9%) and finishing 15th overall and 9th in Class (and also beating all but the leading GTC car). I agree, this is nothing to be very proud of but progress none the less. A similar improvement over the next three races and maybe they will be challenging the slower GTs for some 6ths, 7ths or 8ths in class. If Jaguar would get more actively involved (money and technology) maybe a decent product for next year. Oh well, one can dream.

DK

Those percentages were based on the overall leaders laps, correct? I only ask because I think the ALMS changed the rules that you only have to complete 70% of the class winners laps to be classified. That bumps up the percentages slightly.

From drivers quotes it seems that the car is about as fast as it can be without some significant improvements in certain areas. At Lime Rock they mentioned grip, so that could be simply tires or it could also be mechanical. I guess we will have to wait until the updated car is ready to find out.

dxk1 · 26 Jul 2010, 21:51 (Ref:2733657)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Those percentages were based on the overall leaders laps, correct? I only ask because I think the ALMS changed the rules that you only have to complete 70% of the class winners laps to be classified.

Yes, I calculated the percentages from the race winners laps. If class leaders laps are the number used now, they may have had enough laps at Long Beach and Salt Lake City to be classified. Anyway, we can hope for continued improvement. It would be great to see a kick-ass Jag in the series even if it has to come from someone else besides RSR.

DK

wheelz22 · 26 Jul 2010, 22:56 (Ref:2733693)

[QUOTE
From drivers quotes it seems that the car is about as fast as it can be without some significant improvements in certain areas. At Lime Rock they mentioned grip, so that could be simply tires or it could also be mechanical. I guess we will have to wait until the updated car is ready to find out.[/QUOTE]
The Yokes are fairly 'consistent' throughout the day....front grip, off the corner and how overall fast they are fast is another discussion.

wheelz22 · 26 Jul 2010, 23:08 (Ref:2733697)

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Originally Posted by wheelz22

[QUOTE
From drivers quotes it seems that the car is about as fast as it can be without some significant improvements in certain areas. At Lime Rock they mentioned grip, so that could be simply tires or it could also be mechanical. I guess we will have to wait until the updated car is ready to find out.

The Yokes are fairly 'consistent' throughout the day....front grip, off the corner and how overall fast they are fast is another discussion.[/QUOTE]

Clarification to last post....The Yokes are fairly 'consistent' throughout the day....front grip in, traction coming off. and how overall fast they are is another discussion. ("they are fast" removed)

Jaguarman1 · 27 Jul 2010, 07:11 (Ref:2733825)

I can't help but feel that the tyres are probably the major issue. When I worked with the Ford Mondeos in BTCC 93-94, at first the team ran with Yokohamas on the basis that they were both exclusive and cheap compared to the Michelins everyone else ran at the time. As I recall, a tyre test comparison soon saw a change in allegiance.
Exclusive tyre deals can indeed work for you but I think to understand the real pace of that car, RSR need parity on tyres right now.

dj4monie · 27 Jul 2010, 07:17 (Ref:2733830)

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Originally Posted by Jaguarman1

I can't help but feel that the tyres are probably the major issue. When I worked with the Ford Mondeos in BTCC 93-94, at first the team ran with Yokohamas on the basis that they were both exclusive and cheap compared to the Michelins everyone else ran at the time. As I recall, a tyre test comparison soon saw a change in allegiance.
Exclusive tyre deals can indeed work for you but I think to understand the real pace of that car, RSR need parity on tyres right now.

But they likely need Yokohama's money, much like PTG did when they ran the Panoz the last couple of seasons.

What we need is Bridgestone! Now that they will not be back to be the exclusive tire for F1, maybe they wanna kick Michelin in the nuts!

We can only hope.

MJ_N_09 · 1 Aug 2010, 18:52 (Ref:2737654)

Personally, I don't think that the whole operation is a lost cause yet. Since they will have another, newer chassis for PLM (2nd team car), I say, "let's wait until then to decide if the team is worth it".

TWK · 2 Aug 2010, 00:33 (Ref:2737877)

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Originally Posted by Jaguarman1

I can't help but feel that the tyres are probably the major issue. When I worked with the Ford Mondeos in BTCC 93-94, at first the team ran with Yokohamas on the basis that they were both exclusive and cheap compared to the Michelins everyone else ran at the time. As I recall, a tyre test comparison soon saw a change in allegiance.
Exclusive tyre deals can indeed work for you but I think to understand the real pace of that car, RSR need parity on tyres right now.

A car that's finished one of eight races, and you speculate that the tires are an issue?

Félix · 2 Aug 2010, 02:53 (Ref:2737912)

They were only a few MPH down on the best GT2s at Lime Rock (4 as far as I could see). Generally, there is hope I think...

NightStalk3r · 2 Aug 2010, 16:41 (Ref:2738291)

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Originally Posted by TWK

A car that's finished one of eight races, and you speculate that the tires are an issue?

The tires are about the only thing on the Jag that haven't failed yet.

**Aysedasi** · 2 Aug 2010, 17:53 (Ref:2738323)

Well, in the civil service where I have the misfortune to work, we would be urged in those circumstances to celebrate the success of the tyres in a meeting at our Team Information Board.....

Jaguarman1 · 2 Aug 2010, 21:52 (Ref:2738444)

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Originally Posted by TWK

A car that's finished one of eight races, and you speculate that the tires are an issue?

No, there's no doubt that big improvements need to be made, but merely that amongst the shocking reliability issues and general poor performance, there still has to be issues why the thing is so slow. Speed trap figures from Lime Rock showed it to be one of the quickest through the trap, so aero would appear not to be an issue and the air restictors should generally equalise engine performance if the regs are right. Therefore, poor lap times would seem on that evidence to come from tyre grip (or maybe braking performance) wouldn't you agree?

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