The never ending Toyota return to Le Mans (LMP1) Saga

[MulsanneMike]

Originally Posted by The Badger

I don't understand the shape of diveplanes like that .

Anyone care to offer a comment on those please ..... perhaps Mike is in the house ?

Dive planes work in two ways; direct development of downforce, and as flow conditioners down stream. They are VASTLY more powerful as flow conditioners. Insitu and on their own they perhaps generated 50-100 lbs direct downforce. But down stream they can have vastly more powerful effects in shedding drag and/or adding downforce by directing airflow given their trailing edge shape, overall Angle of Attack, and camber.

[Maelochs]

Cool, I guessed right about the dive planes. Shows too that Toyota is still taking the car seriously, lame duck or not. (Though I guess "Lame Duck" would be a better name for the R19 with its unique nose.)

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

50% not, but almost there. Let's say toyota won fuji race because treluyer hit a car and received a penality, while toyota was the best car durng the 6 hours of bahrain, but unluck didn't let them to win a race that they deserved to win. Well, you confirmed my theory. TMG needs more money to be competitive for the whole season against audi.

You really do remind me of an Abba song!

[avvelenamento]

mamma mia?
no, maybe i guess money money money.

[Aysedasi]

Now the fact that you were able to guess correctly says a lot, eh?

Perhaps time for a new line of thought?

[avvelenamento]

I think that audi is money money money abba song, toyota is just money by pink floyd.

[Aysedasi]

And on that note, we draw the line?

[avvelenamento]

what line?

[avvelenamento]

can't understand is this toyota lmp1 topic? is an offtopic discussion to speak about the budget supplied to TMG?

[Aysedasi]

I give up. The budget comparisons between Audi and Toyota and Toyota Sportscar and Toyota F1 are clearly of the utmost importance to you. Perhaps I'm the only one that's bored!

We'll all talk about something else then.....

[avvelenamento]

Disagree, there are a lot of things much more important than toyota budget. I'm sorry if you are bored but the economical question is an important side of motorsport... I'm a new member but i noticed that there a lot of other topics in this forum, I wish you will find some more interesting topic.
Variety is the spice of life, I just gave some opinion here and there like everyone else do. Anyway I'll keep on living with the risk of getting you bored.

[Aysedasi]

Fair enough. But there is a lot more to the subject of this particular thread than Toyota's budget. If others want to discuss this with you, they'll no doubt let you know. The debate between you and I on the subject though is now over.

[Japanese Samurai]

According to Japanese Autosport mag,
Toyota thinks that the Porsche's hybrid power cannot exceed 4MJ table.
(It means that Toyota's hybrid power in 2014 exceeds 4MJ table.)

[avvelenamento]

Yeah me too have read the news about porsche 4MJ ers.







(Edited by Aysedasi - I said move on....)

[Maelochs]

it isn't that there is anything wrong with the basic topic ... it is just that after each of us have stated and clarified our views, the rest of the posts start to seem like we are trying to convince one another to change our views.

I respect the views raised here, and I have posted and fully explained my views. Until further information arises, saying the same thing over and over ... why? If we don't understand each after the first ten times, the next twenty won't help, and if we do understand and just disagree .... well, let's deal with that.

Personally, I am a big Audi fan and a big Toyota fan ... but I think I like Porsche better than both ... I have to wait and see what their program looks like on track, but I was into Porsche's endurance efforts long before Audi or Toyota dreamed of going to Le Mans.

Since this is a Toyota thread ... and because I tend to favor underdogs ... I hope they kick butt at Sao Paulo. The new more powerful engine and new aero devices sound exciting.

I don't really care who wins ... I like the process. All I really hope is that the Toyota lasts the distance.

Anyone else happy whoever wins, so long as we get a race?

[Aysedasi]

Absolutely!

And then we'll pick it apart in minute detail afterwards......

[avvelenamento]

don't know why but judging by the reaction I still think that someone has taken my word as offence. Maybe I am wrong but nevermind, let's move on as my previous not edited by me post tells.

[Aysedasi]

Thank you!!

[CTD]

Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

Coming back to the new aero package to be used starting from the next race, here is an interesting shot of the front-end of the wind-tunnel model as published by endurance-info.com:

Am I the only one who thinks the front fenders have changed character?
Much more sloped than before

[avvelenamento]

It seems it is

[davehenrie]

I see those dive planes and can only think of what the driver's must say everytime they will climb into that car. "I'm Batman! Alfred! To the BatCave!"

I thought Wirth's wavy diveplanes on the Acura were 'out-there'.
dh

[Bubak]

Here is an official press release: http://blog.toyota.eu/2013/08/26/exc...ge-for-brazil/

"
At Le Mans, the average speed of the TS030 HYBRID was close to 240km/h while the shorter, slower tracks for the rest of the season have an average speed of around 180km/h.
So… What’s changed? Well, the most significant changes include modifications to the front wheel arches, engine cover and the rear wing. Several other aerodynamic features have been fine-tuned to suit the different characteristics of upcoming racetracks.
Our updates are also not just skin deep. The TOYOTA HYBRID System – Racing powertrain is now optimised for shorter six-hour races in a sprint race setting as opposed to the 24-hour endurance challenge of Le Mans.
"

So, as we saw, the front-end, but also an engine cover (ehm, new intake to rear brakes, after what happend in Spa,maybe? Or blown diffuser to short tracks? Less issues. We will see :-) ). And rear wing? Yeah, that must be!

Originally Posted by Acid09

I think Toyota simply fitted the low-downforce front ended for the pitstop practice.

They didn't even post photos of the test and then they let a TV crew film the new parts close-up? Very unlikely...

Yeah man, you wrote it absolutely right! Good point, and true! Finally. :-)

[avvelenamento]

the rear wing looks exactly like the one used at le mans

[Bandicoot17]

Maybe it is, maybe they can increase downforce significantly but without increasing the drag levels all that much by keeping the wing lower, than by running a higher wing.

[Mechanic Z]

Originally Posted by davehenrie

I see those dive planes and can only think of what the driver's must say everytime they will climb into that car. "I'm Batman! Alfred! To the BatCave!"

"Atomic Batteries to power! Turbines to speed!"