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11 Jul 2004, 21:40 (Ref:1033463)
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Yep, saw that proposal on "raccirc.net" (need to find some way of shortening it
  ) . Bloody shocking. Totally agreed with Lustig, it just doesn't fit in at all with not only the rest of the current circuit, but the very history and nature of the place. They've already lost the Bedeldijk-Stroomdut-de Vennen section, and now to shorten the track even more...    It's "officialy " one of the top 3 racing circuits in Europe, for Christ's sake don't ruin it... please... The sad thing is is that it really sums up the pathetic state of modern motorsport - total nutering of tracks to make way for facilities  I can only hope one day people will come to their senses, and the trend will be reversed P.S. Yeah, saw that site P, shortcut on the desktop to it me says, very useful resource 
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11 Jul 2004, 21:44 (Ref:1033471)
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11 Jul 2004, 22:38 (Ref:1033524)
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my latest .. comments & edits please ....
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11 Jul 2004, 22:54 (Ref:1033534)
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I didn't really edit it as such, just jiggled it about and used elements of it to create almost a new track...
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11 Jul 2004, 23:42 (Ref:1033558)
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12 Jul 2004, 03:01 (Ref:1033641)
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heres my edit :x
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12 Jul 2004, 11:21 (Ref:1034001)
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G'day boys, haven't written in while, sorry...
FW, haven't recieved your circuit yet, looks good though. Reminds me of Imola. Mike W, I prefer the first of the two circuits that you drew up. I like it because its old fasion, long straights after long straights plus a section devoted to flowing corners. Sort of like Mexico City. p, good site. Nice photos. Thanks. CG, your track is alright. I like P's better, but like he said, it's really a new trak all together. I think I'll have a crack at an edit now. I've never seen Assen on TV, or drove on it in games, so I can't really judge the proposal too well. However, I'd probably much prefer this new track then the old one. Just my opinion. |
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12 Jul 2004, 11:31 (Ref:1034015)
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Here is my take on your track CG.
On second thoughts however, I'm not too happy with the hairpin in the middle, but I'm pretty happy with the rest.... |
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12 Jul 2004, 19:25 (Ref:1034580)
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Now for a real challenge!
This article on GrandPrix.com says that "the plan is to build a 2.5-mile race track" on Staten Island, NY, USA, "which would be similar in size to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and could therefore have an infield road course." I think I found the spot the piece mentions and dug up a map here. The challenge is to come up with a track that includes a 2.5-mile oval and a road course. Preferably one or more club tracks, too. Western Avenue should be left intact, though you might want to add (a) bridge(s) or tunnel(s). |
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12 Jul 2004, 20:02 (Ref:1034606)
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12 Jul 2004, 20:42 (Ref:1034658)
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12 Jul 2004, 23:45 (Ref:1034826)
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CG, sounds alright. Thnx for feedback
...Now for Lust's challenge... I haven't been able to see exactly how long it is, but hopefully, judging by the scale on the top right, it should be fine. I also haven't been able to think of a decent road course yet, so I just wanted to post this up first. If people wish to use this as a template for their road course, please feel free to. Also, I honestly would get rid of Western Avenue. It's honestly 'in the way' of anything I can think of. Click here to have a look at my New York Challenge (just the oval) |
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13 Jul 2004, 05:50 (Ref:1034961)
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13 Jul 2004, 06:21 (Ref:1034967)
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Well, I managed to come up with something, something which I am extremely happy with. I obviously don't know if it's possible (I mean, I think I'll be tearing through a few living rooms maybe???), but it's a good circuit non-the-less ...Click here to have a look at my New York Challenge (road course!) |
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13 Jul 2004, 09:25 (Ref:1035081)
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Here's mine
I didn't go for a 2.5mile oval like was suggested, I just did a quad-oval, with 750m straights, with 176yd radius corners, and 176yd short straights between them. The road course starts off twisty and winds up to the fast section on the other side of the road then comes back into the oval for turn 1 on the banking. I should perhaps have made more use of it. |
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13 Jul 2004, 13:29 (Ref:1035367)
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Looks quite nice, Pirenzo. One remark, though: you've wasted quite a lot of tarmac on the right, putting down a road course backstretch almost parallel to the oval backstretch.
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13 Jul 2004, 13:59 (Ref:1035406)
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My first (posted) circuit
Hello everyone,
This is my first post in the forum. My circuits are intended for F1, and I try to design them like modern F1 circuits. But I have some difficulty with keeping the number of turns below 20 (F1 circuits are averagely 15,7). I leave the elevation of my circuits open for imagination, as it can only increase the challenge. Here's one of my latest: Melamphullos Quite a long one. The main straight should be of decent length to show the cars speed-capabilities (considering the setup though), somewhat like the straights in Catalunya, Bahrain, Sepang and the Kemmel in Francorchamps (although I don't exactly know their lengths). The rest speaks for itself... it's technical with a big variety of turns, and some good overtaking possibilities (1, 10, 21). 14-17 is really slow to reduce the general speed by setup. Curves 22, 23-24 are similar to the final part of Impla, but 22-23 are less tight so they're slower because the main straight is much longer. Perhaps the circuit a bit too long for modern GP, so it could be reduced to 17-S18-24 Other tracks can use the S11 and 3-14 or 3-13 What do you think of it? Last edited by Melaneimoon; 13 Jul 2004 at 13:59. |
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13 Jul 2004, 14:01 (Ref:1035411)
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13 Jul 2004, 14:06 (Ref:1035420)
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Thinking about it, the main straight would be shorter than Catalunya or Sepang... About the size of the Bahrain straight is more acceptable.
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13 Jul 2004, 14:19 (Ref:1035439)
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you know the Bahrain straight is longer than Sepang and Catalunya
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13 Jul 2004, 14:21 (Ref:1035441)
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13 Jul 2004, 14:31 (Ref:1035452)
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Pirenzo, i like outside the oval you can see the brands hatch influnce thier, but inside the oval, its too cramped. but i like outside the oval. btw i throught barhian was 1000 metres exactly, while shanghi was slightly longer than 1000 metres, but catlunya & sepang are 800 metres, i think.
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13 Jul 2004, 14:41 (Ref:1035460)
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 well, Bahrain isn't in my F1 2000 game yet ofcourse... so I couldn't really tell... Anyway, what's your suggestion for the length of my circuits' straight? |
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13 Jul 2004, 14:43 (Ref:1035462)
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well you say its shorter than sepang & catalunya, so about 730 metre ???
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Something different: what do you guys think of the DTM street course in Shanghai, China.
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