New SUVs

[E.B]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

It's far far far better than the X7 crime against human eyes

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by E.B

Coming from an Audi owner…

[NaBUru38]

Infiniti QX80

5.35 m long

3.5L 450hp twin-turbo gasoline engine
9-speed transmission
Rear-and four-wheel drive




From the side it looks like a Ford Flex.

[NaBUru38]

Audi Q7 (facelift)

[Mike Harte]

What is it with so many car designers these days with their fascination for outsize front grills? I don't find any of them to be in the slightest attractive.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

What is it with so many car designers these days with their fascination for outsize front grills? I don't find any of them to be in the slightest attractive.

I'm sure there must be a practical reasons. Aesthetics don't usually come into car design

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I'm sure there must be a practical reasons. Aesthetics don't usually come into car design

Uh, what? That's pretty much first in many of the designs after safety requirements until you get to high end cars when drag/df/etc are considered

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

What is it with so many car designers these days with their fascination for outsize front grills? I don't find any of them to be in the slightest attractive.

Depending on where the main market is there are a few things at work. Pedestrian safety concerns make the fronts bigger and squarer to I guess push them under and kill instead of on to the hood, sorry bonnet. I went down the rabbit hole once of safety design and it was ridiculous to the point of worrying about engine temperature coming through the hood and burning someone hit by a car. My first thought was well the sun made my door so hot I burned my arm on the trim, can't imagine what the hood feels like now. And then to meet US CAFE regs there is a new frontal area to size ratio thing, it's a bit unclear what let's you use that instead of car vs truck but that's lawyers for you. Bigger frontal area means you can pollute more cause you're bigger, yeah you figure it out

[Mike Harte]

It's not the frontal area as such that gets my goat, but just the grill area, you know what used to be chromed and there to let air get to the radiator. BMW seemed to start it, followed by Audi and that Infinity just seems to be all grill and nothing else!

[NaBUru38]

Other than American full-size trucks, the first big grilles I recall are the 2004 VW Golf GTI, Audi A4 and A6.

[Gerard C]

Yep Audi did great in this field and more with the Allroad variants. Nothing like a Merc.

[NaBUru38]

Opel / Vauxhall Frontera




Yes it's just a facelifted Citroën C3 Aircross.

[Gerard C]

@Naburu: do you have Citroën TV commercials with a music playing La Marseillaise our national anthem too? In fact its for DS series here because DS is the official car supplier of Mr you know who…

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

@Naburu: do you have Citroën TV commercials with a music playing La Marseillaise our national anthem too? In fact its for DS series here because DS is the official car supplier of Mr you know who…

Gerard, do you mean this one?
https://youtu.be/MdonjMvtjXI


Or the Citroen "Disco-bi*ch" DS3 ad
https://youtu.be/MdonjMvtjXI

Citroen have done many good ads. Robot dance

https://youtu.be/BRIkxuMqmzQ


The best? An oldie but 60 years of DS. https://youtu.be/rRHogyYXFiQ

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by E.B

Gerard, do you mean this one?
https://youtu.be/MdonjMvtjXI

More likely this one which seems to be french market only. It suggests that not only one French can have the privilege to own/drive it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p9mQd8myzQ Bad taste IMO.

The one you're refering to suggests that those car are kings choice… Between Louis XIV, Napoleon and De Gaulle. Thanks for the old DS one, never watched it before.

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

More likely this one which seems to be french market only. It suggests that not only one French can have the privilege to own/drive it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p9mQd8myzQ Bad taste IMO.

My understanding is that "French luxury isn't exclusive to just one Frenchman". It doesn't refer to foreigners.

[Gerard C]

Your understanding is good. Mine says it refers to people paying a lot of taxes…

[NaBUru38]

Mazda CX-80

Only for Europe and Asia

5.00 m long, 1.89 m wide

2.5L 320 hp plugin hybrid gasoline engine
3.3L 250 hp Diesel engine (???)





Yes it's a long wheelbase version of the CX-60.

[NaBUru38]

Nissan Qashqai (facelift)





I like the frontend, but not the taillights.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Mazda CX-80

Only for Europe and Asia

5.00 m long, 1.89 m wide

2.5L 320 hp plugin hybrid gasoline engine
3.3L 250 hp Diesel engine (???)

I understand that the diesel powertrain is mated to a mild-hybrid system?

[NaBUru38]

Mild hybrids are so weak that I rarely bother to mention them.

[NaBUru38]

Toyota 4Runner

4.95 m long, 1.98 wide

2.4L 280 hp gasoline engine
2.4L 325 hp hybrid gasoline engine









Definitely not my style, but I prefer it over the new Land Cruiser Prado.

[NaBUru38]

Opel / Vauxhall Grandland

4.65 m long

Gasoline, hybrid and electric powertrains, the latter with a 98 kWh battery






Of course it's a reskinned Peugeot 5008, but not as obvious as other recent Stellantis clones.

[Gerard C]

The 4Runner looks like a Mad Max inspiration/evocation. Almost 300 hp, what for?

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

The 4Runner looks like a Mad Max inspiration/evocation. Almost 300 hp, what for?

Moving its significant mass!

[Gerard C]