Grp C/Grp A/V8SC 'Where are they now?' continued...

[GTRMagic]

The Eggenberger car would be my pick, assuming of course it was true to its original specification....

I always wondered what one of Ruedi's rockets would be like with a pukka Rouse engine in it.. with the seriously adjustable boost, and 620bhp capacity at its peak...

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by OZ_HCR32

A few friends race their road GTRs, albeit they arent really road cars anymore. There isnt really that much to them. The Gp A cars had the 4 wheel steering disconnected, (a thing all GTR owners should do) and ran modified 4wd systems (compared to the road car) .

Take Sandown, a well modded R32 GTR did a 1:15 on RE55s (gutted interior and comprehensive cage), whilst a later model R33 GTR with full interior, air con, power windows with only a half cage does 1:16s around Sandown.

To maintain a car to Grp A regs would be a nightmare, i can see the trouble a person is going to with an R31. But the GTR is nothing all that space age really when you look closely at them, hell if i can find my way around one, most ppl could

A road GT-R I would agree with... but the factory cars had special diffs, including the centre one, all computer controlled, and indeed adjustable.

It would be like the urban myth that Nasa bought a whole series of 286 computers off eBay to replenish the Space Shuttles because they didnt have the budget & capacity to redesign the systems aboard to handle the latest processors...

... but in 1992.... there were very few software programs around, certainly MoTeC hadnt pushed the boundaries very hard by then... the Nissan has an Electromotive ECU originally, twin turbos operating at incredible boost pressures, across a pop off valve....

... out to a programmable powertrain, which managed where the power was distributed at the touch of a hot key..... using specialised softwares that would be so obsolete now it wouldnt be funny.

The GIO GT-R is still in Sydney, in Mr Forbes' collection, probably parked next to his green eyed Monster

[OZ_HCR32]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

A road GT-R I would agree with... but the factory cars had special diffs, including the centre one, all computer controlled, and indeed adjustable.

It would be like the urban myth that Nasa bought a whole series of 286 computers off eBay to replenish the Space Shuttles because they didnt have the budget & capacity to redesign the systems aboard to handle the latest processors...

... but in 1992.... there were very few software programs around, certainly MoTeC hadnt pushed the boundaries very hard by then... the Nissan has an Electromotive ECU originally, twin turbos operating at incredible boost pressures, across a pop off valve....

... out to a programmable powertrain, which managed where the power was distributed at the touch of a hot key..... using specialised softwares that would be so obsolete now it wouldnt be funny.

The GIO GT-R is still in Sydney, in Mr Forbes' collection, probably parked next to his green eyed Monster

You could very well be right...but the road cars system does not work like you described. And the Gibson cars used to lock the front to rear drive ratio of the AWD for the race, but set it to an alternate setting for starts/launching. The front and rear diffs were mechaical, the centre diff is hydraulic which allowed the ratio front:rear to be adjusted. On the road car its adjusted by software based on g-sensors, road speed and steering angle and also wheelspin at the rear. On the Gibson race cars the means of controlling the 4wd system was not under close loop control by a computer, but locked at a predetermined ratio, that way they could maximise tyre wear and balance.

As for boost pressures and twin turbos etc. They didnt run that high a boost level, because of that they ran a high compression ratio which was at odds to the Sierras with their low compression high boost setups. (explains the horrible driveability)

I hear what you are saying, and sure they were more advanced then a VL Walkinshaw, but the road car is perhaps more advanced then the race car. Much of the function of the computers were overwritten on the race cars.

Now the cost of turbo rebuilds, and the cost of lifing components would be expensive, but i would owe that to the fact it was about the heaviest and most powerful car in the field, so obviously was going to be hard on components.

[EddieS]

I think it is highly unlikely Terry Ashwod will ever race the GTR. Even at Clipsal this year he was only running 1 bar boost as he wanted to preserve the motor. The car is just to valuable to Terry!!
None of the V8 group A cars or Sierra's will be competitive against the likes of a group A GTR. GTR's with street trim and tyres are lapping 1.15's around Sandown which is 3 seconds quicker than current cars in Group A. These are cars running conservative boost pressures ie 1.6 bar and are super reliable. These cars are producing more power than the sierra's did in the day ie 400kw at wheels plus and will do it all day!!! Very uncommon for a GTR to go pop!!!

[Henry]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I always wondered what one of Ruedi's rockets would be like with a pukka Rouse engine in it.. with the seriously adjustable boost, and 620bhp capacity at its peak...

Something like a DJR one?

[GTRMagic]

So here's a piece of history for sale Here

[GTRMagic]

In terms of cars to own with the lotto win in the pocket, this one wins for me Here

[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by EddieS

I think it is highly unlikely Terry Ashwod will ever race the GTR. Even at Clipsal this year he was only running 1 bar boost as he wanted to preserve the motor. The car is just to valuable to Terry!!

Well he ran it at Eastern creek today. Came 2nd to Jason Richards flogging Brocks Bathurst a9x and the army xd. seemed to be trying hard too.

[EddieS]

I'm referring to the bathurst winning R32 not the HR31!!! Big difference!!!

[AussieV8]

This is what I want....

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

In terms of cars to own with the lotto win in the pocket, this one wins for me Here

Pricing query in GBP - Seton car 75k, Texaco car 55k, Moffat/Rouse car 35k

[OZ_HCR32]

There is another add for that Seton car floating around on the internet. The list of spares is impressive...the way i drive i would probably need them all

[GTRMagic]

Ah but not all of them are for sale from Mr Exoticars

[David Towe]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

So here's a piece of history for sale Here

Yes, it is nice, but who's the dashing young man with the impeccable motoring taste in the background?

[gruncle]

Do we detect the dashing young man having a slight steering problem or is it the norm to slide it around

[David Towe]

Things were OK with that car Gruncle, it was my M3 not the 635 on those bloody horrible old wets from the weekend. That was certainly entertaining from the driver's seat.

[adz_34]

does anybody here know what happened to the old Slick 50 Mazda RX7 of Peter McLeod from the 1984 race?

[gruncle]

Originally Posted by David Towe

Things were OK with that car Gruncle, it was my M3 not the 635 on those bloody horrible old wets from the weekend. That was certainly entertaining from the driver's seat.

speaking of wets, the falcon ones were turning to jelly within 3 laps. Phil had a brand new set on board the transporter but no way in the world was he going to waste $2500 for just a couple of races.
anyway david, in case you did not know already, that is it for the falcon.
no more group c races for us. Nick has a falcon xy GTHO ph 3 under construction for the BIANTI series, as well as the sports sedan and the improved tourer falcon to play with, not forgetting george and his saloon cars plus customer cars to prepare and with the american thing under way, what time is available anyway!

good to see that you got thru the shonky paperwork set up also. lucky we were given the heads up by some nice person at east malvern, as well as from eastern creek otherwise CAM$ would have driven me nuts. I was notified about the ambush just before we arrived on friday,so we had time to prepare.

One day I will nail these peoples hide'(s) to the wall, for all to see and take note.This I will promise.

[Sultan]

Originally Posted by adz_34

does anybody here know what happened to the old Slick 50 Mazda RX7 of Peter McLeod from the 1984 race?

Saw it running as a sports sedan in the mid-late '80's (was John English driving it at the time?) not sure after that - I'd love to know too!

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by gruncle

speaking of wets, the falcon ones were turning to jelly within 3 laps. Phil had a brand new set on board the transporter but no way in the world was he going to waste $2500 for just a couple of races.
anyway david, in case you did not know already, that is it for the falcon.
no more group c races for us. Nick has a falcon xy GTHO ph 3 under construction for the BIANTI series, as well as the sports sedan and the improved tourer falcon to play with, not forgetting george and his saloon cars plus customer cars to prepare and with the american thing under way, what time is available anyway!

good to see that you got thru the shonky paperwork set up also. lucky we were given the heads up by some nice person at east malvern, as well as from eastern creek otherwise CAM$ would have driven me nuts. I was notified about the ambush just before we arrived on friday,so we had time to prepare.

One day I will nail these peoples hide'(s) to the wall, for all to see and take note.This I will promise.

I an understand a reluctance to name names over last weekend - any chance we get to hear your knowledge of who did what at Bathurst (Stubber).

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by gruncle

good to see that you got thru the shonky paperwork set up also. lucky we were given the heads up by some nice person at east malvern, as well as from eastern creek otherwise CAM$ would have driven me nuts. I was notified about the ambush just before we arrived on friday,so we had time to prepare.

One day I will nail these peoples hide'(s) to the wall, for all to see and take note.This I will promise.

Did you figure out why you got the special CAMS treatment, and price list?

I thought the only Fords CAMS plotted against were in V8Supercar, I hadnt realised they had also spread to the Group A/C community too

[275 GTB-4]

Paranoia...conspiracy theory alert...Arhh-ohhh-gahh !!

[David Towe]

Originally Posted by gruncle

good to see that you got thru the shonky paperwork set up also..

Sorry you guys had hassles, the paperwork wasn't an issue once we worked out that the meeting permit was granted as a "National other" permit and not an "Historic" permit. Therefore they had no way of enforcing the signage and Historic log book rules. Brian Goulding and David (head scrutineer) were most helpful. They were instrumenal in getting me onto the grid. I have to say in all fairness that I have no reports of a certain few in my the Group C assn. working against me personally. Yep, that surprised me.

I was told today the Biante cars had to change their windscreen stripes, was this true? If so, did the red and white stripe they were supplied with and reportedly forced to use, comply with the 5 th category regs?

[gruncle]

yes david,
I found that both brian and david were very helpful indeed, the scrutineering team, once they understood what was occurring, proceeded to scrutineer the car for safety compliance and were very apologetic in informing me that they could not apply the scrutineering pass sticker to the window until the paperwork was attended to.

I also knew that this meeting was held under " national other " permit conditions, and was taken aback when during the hearing in front of the stewards, to be fined for not having the correct paperwork.

due to a long drawn out Certificate of Recognition process I had, on behalf of Nick Karadimas, made an unofficial undertaking that the car would not be entered in any event that was run under "historic" conditions or required a permit of any description to enter. this agreement is still in effect from my position anyway.

I have since been informed that one of our fellow competitors actually rang CAM$ to notify the historic commission that the car was running.

The team had made both a verbal and written contract with Muscle Car Magazine much earlier in the year to run the white falcon at this meeting and we carried out that contract to the best of our ability
whether or not that upset our fellow competitors in Group C/A was of no concern to me, and it remains so. Basically if you want to show off your pretty cars,by all means do so. but not at the expense of people who want to race their cars and really, after all,the car is just a tool to do the job at hand, which is to race, and also to entertain the paying public. If it gets bent just fix it and run again!!!!

[Amonfan]

re: the McLeod RX7, i was thinking Charlie Senase raced it for a while?