1994 FiA Touring Car World Cup Grid. - Page 3

racer69 · 12 Jan 2008, 02:07 (Ref:2104550)

It would be a pretty interesting scenario if they could manage to get the Vauxhall's & Seats from the UK go up against the leading STCC entries...would many other national championship entries be in with a shout?

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Originally Posted by JMeissner

Why should compettitors of the WORLD touring car championship take part in the EUROPEAN touring car cup.

In 1987 the WTCC competitors could compete in the ETCC

**chunterer** · 12 Jan 2008, 09:55 (Ref:2104627)

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Originally Posted by racer69

It would be a pretty interesting scenario if they could manage to get the Vauxhall's & Seats from the UK go up against the leading STCC entries...would many other national championship entries be in with a shout?

In 1987 the WTCC competitors could compete in the ETCC

Yes and the current stuff isn't a patch on what we had to marvel at back then!!

THIM · 13 Jan 2008, 16:09 (Ref:2105293)

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Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

But I dont think that the top teams and drivers from BTCC, STCC, DTC etc are any "second league" to WTCC, they are as good if not better then most of the feild in WTCC, in my opinion any way.

So why WTCC drivers can't compete? Is this because they would be disappointed, if they loose, or to give a chance to others?

PorscheFanNo1 · 13 Jan 2008, 17:30 (Ref:2105338)

I dont think I really need to answer that, do I?

racer69 · 13 Jan 2008, 18:49 (Ref:2105404)

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Originally Posted by chunterer

Yes and the current stuff isn't a patch on what we had to marvel at back then!!

I agree, but we can't shout it too loud around here

dan290888 · 26 Nov 2008, 14:50 (Ref:2342169)

sorry to bump an old thread but has anyone got any more info on the 93 world cup at Monza?

KA · 26 Nov 2008, 15:24 (Ref:2342188)

Think I've got entry list and results for 1993, but not on this computer- I'll look them out and post them later. Watch this space....

Matt · 26 Nov 2008, 16:07 (Ref:2342223)

There's a youtube vid of it as well, albeit it's only ten minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwmDj5tcwkY

KA · 26 Nov 2008, 16:50 (Ref:2342250)

To save me digging them out at home: found these links posted elsewhere

Entry list
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4...zaentryvj6.jpg

Results
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9...93monzaqk5.jpg

werner · 26 Nov 2008, 23:45 (Ref:2342500)

Unbelievable. 44 drivers in 10 different brands (11 if you count Opel and Vauxhall as 2) and 4 different tyremanufacturers.

Bramzel · 27 Nov 2008, 01:52 (Ref:2342541)

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Originally Posted by werner

Unbelievable. 44 drivers in 10 different brands (11 if you count Opel and Vauxhall as 2) and 4 different tyremanufacturers.

Well, with todays championships that would be possible again as well. Except for the 4 tiremanufacturers then, I can only get up to 3 on that one? Michelin, Dunlop and Yokohama?

werner · 27 Nov 2008, 13:37 (Ref:2342716)

In theory it is possible to have a 70-car grid, but that is wildly overambitious. Today's commercial rules seem to prescribe 1 standard tire. The reason is offcourse equality, but it restricts sponsoropportunity and competition imo. If you really want equality per sé, you must race spec cars or a one-makeserie.

Anyway, let's see:
BTCC: BMW, Vauxhall/Opel, Honda, Seat, Chevrolet (5)
STCC ads: Volvo, Peugeot, Audi, Mercedes (4)
Procar ads: Toyota (1)
FTCC ads: Skoda (1)

And there might be a Lada in the Russian series? That would make 11 or 12. Would be nice to see them all.

JMeissner · 27 Nov 2008, 13:43 (Ref:2342720)

You forgot the Lada in the WTCC.

Isnt the Skoda in FTCC Super Production?

stedevil · 27 Nov 2008, 13:47 (Ref:2342722)

In a todays what if list, we could add SAAB as well. The car exists, even if it hasnt actually participated in a race yet. And Ford looks to be appearing as well.

Bramzel · 27 Nov 2008, 13:49 (Ref:2342727)

And wasn't there a S2000 spec Golf GTI running in Finland as well? Add to that the different models (Procar Opel Astra, BTCC Vauxhall Vectra, DTC Peugeot 407, STCC Peugeot 308).

stedevil · 27 Nov 2008, 13:51 (Ref:2342731)

Honda Accord & Civic

Bramzel · 27 Nov 2008, 16:16 (Ref:2342796)

Inspired by this conversation I've started a little list with all S2000 cars built so far. You can find it here: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111513

werner · 28 Nov 2008, 16:04 (Ref:2343359)

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Originally Posted by JMeissner

You forgot the Lada in the WTCC.

Isnt the Skoda in FTCC Super Production?

Drivers from the WTCC are not allowed in the European Championship, so I only counted the brands that race in national championships.

the sniper · 28 Nov 2008, 19:27 (Ref:2343483)

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Originally Posted by werner

Drivers from the WTCC are not allowed in the European Championship, so I only counted the brands that race in national championships.

But this year weren't the Lada's a privateer effort? And next year isn't there going to be a Works and Privateer team running Lada's?

As I understand it, WTCC Privateers can enter the ETCup.

THIM · 28 Nov 2008, 20:45 (Ref:2343525)

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Originally Posted by the sniper

But this year weren't the Lada's a privateer effort? And next year isn't there going to be a Works and Privateer team running Lada's?

As I understand it, WTCC Privateers can enter the ETCup.

Exactly, Ladas could have raced in Salzburg this year. And we'll see, what 2009 season will bring...

werner · 30 Nov 2008, 23:44 (Ref:2344531)

Oh that's true, privateers could race. OTOH, weren't the cars on the boat to Japan by then?

armchair racer · 28 Dec 2008, 23:47 (Ref:2362081)

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Originally Posted by KA

To save me digging them out at home: found these links posted elsewhere

Entry list
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4...zaentryvj6.jpg

Results
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9...93monzaqk5.jpg

Why did the Peugeot 405 mi16 go so well at Monza and in the French super touring championship in the hands of the French, and Average (to poor) in the BTCC , even with decent drivers like Rob Gravett ?? , was it budget ?? as the car obviously had potential >>>

Pettersson · 29 Dec 2008, 00:01 (Ref:2362086)

I was wondering the same when it comes to Peugeot 406 in BTCC and STW. In BTCC the cars were not near the podium, but in STW it won 1 title with Aiello and was a regular frontrunner '97-'98 under the same regulations. A bit off-topic, but still...

redshoes · 29 Dec 2008, 08:44 (Ref:2362162)

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Originally Posted by Pettersson

I was wondering the same when it comes to Peugeot 406 in BTCC and STW. In BTCC the cars were not near the podium, but in STW it won 1 title with Aiello and was a regular frontrunner '97-'98 under the same regulations. A bit off-topic, but still...

The STW and BTCC Peugeot 406s were two completely different cars. The STW ones were built in-house by Peugeot Sport France, the BTCC ones by MSD. For reasons best known to themselves, Peugeot Sport refused to supply cars or engines to anyone else and that included Peugeot UK.

Part of the difference would have been down to aero-kits, as we know from Vauxhall/Opel what works in Germany doesn't always work on UK tracks, but there was also said to be significant differences in engine and chassis development.

armchair racer · 29 Dec 2008, 09:49 (Ref:2362187)

Sounds like madness ...as we know BTCC was the best championship in the world , with so many manufacturers throwing their weight behind it , so for Peugeot sport to support another series is beyond me ...

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