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Ever driven or read the write ups on the territory.
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How do you monetise that is they’re not selling cars anymore?
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A friend in the industry told me that Commodore is the best selling large sedan - not a bad car really but that segment of the market has collapsed effectively.
For the future - hard to know. I can see some benefit in doing at least some Co-branding with GM branding / signage added. That way Chev, Caddy for example could be sold with their existing badging etc through GM dealers. Either that to maybe wean the market off being used to the Holden name or just rip the bandaid off & re-brand the whole thing. Would mean the end of a Holden racing program if that happened but might instead by GM or Chev, maybe Caddy? |
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Then again the only Commodore I've ever liked driving is the Opel. Was designated driver last night and drove a new Commodore again - I can't see anything wrong with it, other than the demand for medium to large sedans outside of the luxury brands has passed. |
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I had one for 10 years until upgrading 2 months ago, went well. Towed trailers up and down the East Coast faultlessly
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So a Wheels road test was provided; where it beat the benchmark for the category, the X5. But now what matters is what you "have heard from people that have one". Righteo. |
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I did mention updating the technology did I not? That would naturally include ditching that lump of cast iron and using a motor that met current emissions standards.
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Where would they do the said test - in Europe, or here? Agree Wheels independence is questionable, but it's never been slanted towards Ford. |
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That you didn't like it, is something you'll need to deal with. Remember of course this has all arisen from the original and incorrect argument you put forth: "Both Ford and Holden failed for similar reasons, failure to read the market changes was one." Ford read the emerging SUV market, and produced the Territory accordingly. |
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While you might claim to be "an observer", you offered 'expert' opinion which was easily found to be incorrect. It might be best you refrain from offering any more incorrect opinions. |
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Your so 1 eyed its inceredible. It was actually reading up, listing to a best friend that has and had one and opinions of 2 mechanics in the family. But ok then
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Keep it polite chaps, it's OK to disagree. As a Beemer driver I quite surprised when people get all territorial over 2nd rate manufacturers
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Sad deal for Australia to lose it's unique cars and manufacturing capability but in this global world it's manufacturing and cars were going to be at risk as they were owned by global brands. Perhaps if brands such as Holden were owned by Australians and sold unique Australian cars worldwide, things would have been different. |
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Family members it agreed it was a good car and appreciated the seven seat option and the luggage capacity. The mechanic said the front end can be a little fragile but most of this customers seems to like the. Many bought a second after owning their first one. So I guess both of our scientifically dubious survey and research resulted in slightly different outcomes. According to wikipedia Ford sold over 175,000. While I cannot be certain that not all of those buyers were mugs, there must have been many people happy with them. The only mugs in this argument are those Holden fans that criticise the current Commodore model like Star Wars fans criticise the Last Jedi - just because it is not the car (or film) you want does not make it a bad car (or film). |
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