[WEC] Porsche GTP / Hypercar: factory and customer

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Stranger

"FIA Sportscar World Championship"

Interesting to call it that instead of WEC. Is that even technically correct?

The E word was dropped from the name in 1986 because manufacturers thought it was misleading. I can already see that happening again.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by The Badger

COME ON FERRARI ..... RISE TO THE CHALLANGE , if you can !!!

I want to see Joest returning to the Porsche fold , where he came from and where he should be .

Shove Penske !!!

Joest are immense, but it would be a huge deal for sportscar racing, at world championship level, to have a US team representing Porsche.

Potentially, the biggest news from Porsche's entry, is their history of supplying customer cars.

[Félix]

Porsche has 16 wins.

2014 is so far away though, a lot can change for the worst in the meantime and Porsche could be vaporware or committed to racing alone in a class with no serious manufacturer interest. ALMS might well be gone by then and privateers and the WEC have to survive for two years.

And of course the world economy has to be good enough to allow spoiled billionaire sons to come and fill the field. Motor racing (F1 excluded) is making less and less sense financially for manufacturers to get to the general public; unless the Chinese become big time motorsport junkies soon...

Yay.

[Plex]

This is very good news...Cant wait for 2014.......

[arakis]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Arakis- are showing your envy. The ACO and everyone else counts Porsche wins at Le Mans as being 16. What you choose to believe or count is your problem.

why do you belive that everything I say is BS. I am happy for porsche and couldn't care less how many victories it has.

the only thing I car about is Porsche vs Ferrari direct competition, and that is only in GTE.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by helgi

Is there any risk of closing LMP1 category, because it's too dangerous (for example), and putting a new LMGT for supercars such as Porsche 918 and unchained McLaren MP4-12. And there's a rumour of a new super GT from Ferrari that will suit that category well. So, is there any risk to lose LMP1?

Purpose built race cars are safer than production
based machines.

The ACO are backing P1 because it's a laboratory to develop new technologies, a GT based class looks towards current developments.

GTE Pro has the potential to allow hybrids and such, into which the Mclaren MP4-12 would fit.

[Audi Racer]

??. Sorry joest probably isn't moving to Porsche . And Audi is not leaving Lemans .......I think that this was an internal decision from Porsche....Not VAG. VAG may own all the companies but they probably said to Porsche "do as you see fit"......Why does every one think Audi is withdrawing? The company relation means nothing......Audi and Porsche battled in the VLN and nurburgring 24 hours

[JAG]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

All we need is for Toyota/Dome to announce their future Le Mans plans and we would have a real party in LMP1.

On Twitter ( I know, I know) it was said the Toyota is being developed in Cologne.

[Audi Racer]

Originally Posted by Acid09

To be competitive in LMP1 you have to spend almost F1-like money and I seriously don't see VAG running two major programmes like that at once in the same series..it makes no sense.

I think the amount Audi and Peugeot are spending is actually 1/10 that of an F1 project.......Not equal to. No where near in fact.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Just in case no one has read Autosport:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92733

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Audi Racer

I think the amount Audi and Peugeot are spending is actually 1/10 that of an F1 project.......Not equal to. No where near in fact.

Nope...I think it was on RLM's Le Mans broadcast thatwas mentioned that Audi's and Peugeot's budgets are pretty similar to what is spend by some of the smaller F1 teams...

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by Audi Racer

I think the amount Audi and Peugeot are spending is actually 1/10 that of an F1 project.......Not equal to. No where near in fact.

Well kinda, the estimated 50-70m euros Audi and Pug are currently spending is really nothing compared to the budget Toyota had a couple of years ago in Formula Dull. I believe it was well over 400 million in 2008.

[Mal]

With the liklehood that this will be a Hybrid and the fact that the current Porsche hybrid was developed by Williams is it possible that Williams could be employed to run the team?

[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by Mal

With the liklehood that this will be a Hybrid and the fact that the current Porsche hybrid was developed by Williams is it possible that Williams could be employed to run the team?

The system was originally made by Williams with Porsche providing specifications. The system has since been developed by Porsche.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Nope...I think it was on RLM's Le Mans broadcast thatwas mentioned that Audi's and Peugeot's budgets are pretty similar to what is spend by some of the smaller F1 teams...

Mentioned by who? Just interested. Sounds plausible. But there is a big difference in the budgets between the "smaller" and big teams in F1. There was a story about the budgets in 2010/2011 recently but link espaces from me.

[Audi Racer]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Well kinda, the estimated 50-70m euros Audi and Pug are currently spending is really nothing compared to the budget Toyota had a couple of years ago in Formula Dull. I believe it was well over 400 million in 2008.

yep. those are the figures. 50m-70m for the LMP1 efforts while the F1 project of toyota is around 445million.

[Audi Racer]

but its true about the budgets of the small f1 teams..........HRT spent 34M last year on their effort..........Meanwhile Ferrari spent 200million.


but then again. F1 is full of Lucrative SPonsorships such as Marlboro, At&t, Petronas, Vodafone, Lotus, Virgin. So who knows how much comes from the manufacturers pockets...

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by J.C.

As long as they are in F1, it wont happen...

As for Porsche returning to Le Mans. It's great news, I would love to be there in person to see it. Once they are in LMP1, I wonder how they will treat there GT program at Le Mans.

Because I do remember when the LMP2 Spyder was racing in the ALMS. There were a few GT2 Porsche teams upset with Porsche. I believe becasue, Porsche was not giving the GT2 teams the same effort at the LMP2 program, or was not good enough...

Hopefully a lesson was learned .

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Félix

Porsche has 16 wins.

2014 is so far away though, a lot can change for the worst in the meantime and Porsche could be vaporware or committed to racing alone in a class with no serious manufacturer interest. ALMS might well be gone by then and privateers and the WEC have to survive for two years.

And of course the world economy has to be good enough to allow spoiled billionaire sons to come and fill the field. Motor racing (F1 excluded) is making less and less sense financially for manufacturers to get to the general public; unless the Chinese become big time motorsport junkies soon...

Yay.

I disagree, the motor industry is fighting for it's very existence, particularly sportscar manufactuers.

For such manufactuers to prosper, they'll have to maintain current performance levels, and improve efficiency significantly. Even if this technology is perfected, you still need to sell it to the public.

Those in trouble are series that don't have technology relevant to road cars, and who's very existent is for entertainment alone.

[Audi Racer]

Originally Posted by JAG

I disagree, the motor industry is fighting for it's very existence, particularly sportscar manufactuers.

For such manufactuers to prosper, they'll have to maintain current performance levels, and improve efficiency significantly. Even if this technology is perfected, you still need to sell it to the public.

Those in trouble are series that don't have technology relevant to road cars, and who's very existent is for entertainment alone.

Formula One.......Nascar........IndyCar........


Nascar will never be in trouble....formula One will nevere be in trouble......Not sure about indycar though

[Acid09]

Originally Posted by Audi Racer

Nascar will never be in trouble....

NASCAR is already highly in trouble, the Sprint Cup ratings and trackside attendance have taken a nosedive in recent years.

[Audi Racer]

Imagine if all the manufacturers decided to go to nascar.

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Exactly, NASCAR is in a large decline while Indycar (despite improving) seems to struggle to carry any sort of momentum before and after Indianapolis. Plus, what is NASCAR trying to do to their cars to help stop this decline in 2013?? exactly, more manufacturer identity.

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by Audi Racer

Imagine if all the manufacturers decided to go to nascar.

Peugeot to NASCAR!!!!

[The Badger]

Their already half way to the truck series with a diesel !!!