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23 Jun 2007, 12:51 (Ref:1944902)
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Is it me, or does that picture labelled "Schuey tries the 250 DTO prototipo for the first time" look 'shopped?
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23 Jun 2007, 12:59 (Ref:1944907)
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Welcome to 10-10ths.
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23 Jun 2007, 13:03 (Ref:1944909)
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23 Jun 2007, 13:42 (Ref:1944923)
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23 Jun 2007, 14:00 (Ref:1944941)
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i was about to say that bob but you beat me to it, that is no ferrari 250 proto, thats a pilbeam MP93 in green with a few ferrari stickers on it, and i have to say that photo does not look very real at all to me, something just not right about it.
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23 Jun 2007, 14:24 (Ref:1944956)
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that article is dated 1st APRIL 07
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23 Jun 2007, 14:25 (Ref:1944957)
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23 Jun 2007, 14:45 (Ref:1944967)
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23 Jun 2007, 14:53 (Ref:1944977)
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Hi guys
I think you may be right about the photo. However the story could be true! |
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23 Jun 2007, 16:01 (Ref:1945011)
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I just spent ages trying to decide if the helmet was photoshopped in and didnt bother to scroll down the page! Doh! I guess that answers my question
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23 Jun 2007, 16:51 (Ref:1945027)
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Even ignoring the above story, it is possible that the ACO may allow diesels in LMP2. There are many things that aren't allowed, until you ask! If anything could do it it might be a road car based engine, for a customer team, in a class that is percieved to be weak?
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23 Jun 2007, 16:56 (Ref:1945029)
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Thats a good point, I really don't see the ACO saying no to a diesel P2, motorsport is trying to become (or at least appear) more environmentally friendly, why would they allow LMP1 to go diesel but not LMP2?
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Adam, But don't you think there would be a rule change to allow them before someone put time and money into the project?
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23 Jun 2007, 17:23 (Ref:1945039)
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Yes, they would want assurances from the ACO that it would be allowed. However I am talking more generally than the story highlighted here.
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Of course and in reality, so am I. I just can't see anyone developing and funding something that is outside the rules, hoping to somehow get it allowed at a later date. Sorta goes against 'normal' thought process of building something that is within the rules in the first place. Yes, anyone can build anything they want outside any rule set and then attempt to get it allowed, but who would really take that chance?
Look at the MC12 that was built to the rules, only to have the rules change and be left standing on the outside looking in (with no hope of having their car ever allowed in an ACO sanctioned race). |
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23 Jun 2007, 18:42 (Ref:1945083)
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The Ferrari would be inside the rules because it is bio-diesel which ACO could allow under the current rules for LMP2.
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Where does it state that?
And for that matter, where does it state that bio-fuels are legal too? I can't find it in the AOC rules. Last edited by Hugewally; 23 Jun 2007 at 18:57. |
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Art. 5.1 for engine specifications and Art. 17 for fuel. Biofuels might be legal next year (Audi and others are interested) and Welter is planning a diesel P2, so that rule might also change. |
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Arn't WR supposed to come back in 2008 with a bio-fuel ?
Maybe thats a clue as to a possible rule change , cuz im sure Gerard Welter wouldnt go ahead with that , without the approval of the ACO . |
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http://www.welterracing.fr/team/_FR/WR_2008.html (Great looking car  )http://www.welterracing.fr/team/_FR/projet2008.html Diester = French bio-diesel brand? |
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