WEC Kolles Prototype - Page 3

Deleted · 27 Jun 2014, 12:35 (Ref:3427128)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I wonder if theyll get the 72L tank and 810kg weight break Rebellion received.

Would think so, ACO has (thankfully) tended to balance the privateer class as a whole against the factories, instead of giving them individual BoP values

MyNameIsNigel · 27 Jun 2014, 12:54 (Ref:3427132)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Would think so, ACO has (thankfully) tended to balance the privateer class as a whole against the factories, instead of giving them individual BoP values

And there is no way the ACO-FIA can adjust the performance in the LMP1-L class on an individual basis. The adjustments apply equally to all LMP1-L competitors.

It will be interesting to see if the Lotus P1-01 can be as fast "out of the box" as the new Rebellion R-One (if the Lotus can run reliably which is far from being granted ...).

**joeb** · 27 Jun 2014, 13:22 (Ref:3427148)

I was going to chime in and say I hope they have enough time to get some testing done before the next round of the WEC, but then I remembered the next round is sometime later this decade so they should be fine...

Simmi · 27 Jun 2014, 13:37 (Ref:3427153)

I'd still like to see a picture which shows the car actually moving at speed.

Deleted · 27 Jun 2014, 13:38 (Ref:3427154)

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

And there is no way the ACO-FIA can adjust the performance in the LMP1-L class on an individual basis. The adjustments apply equally to all LMP1-L competitors.

I don't think the regs state that, it's just the way they operate... in fact IIRC nowhere in the regs did it even say they can separately balance the Ls against Hs in the first place?

Anyway, I just remembered reading/hearing that at least one manufacturer vetoed even further BoP helps for the Rebellion before Le Mans on the basis that the car had only done one race. And therefore they "only' got -40kg / +3,7liters / no consumption limit instead of even more. Which would imply that if Rebellion now gets further BoP for the next race, ACO couldn't (?) be able to give the same values for Lotus as they hadn't had the mileage so...

MyNameIsNigel · 27 Jun 2014, 14:09 (Ref:3427161)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

I don't think the regs state that, it's just the way they operate... in fact IIRC nowhere in the regs did it even say they can separately balance the Ls against Hs in the first place?

Anyway, I just remembered reading/hearing that at least one manufacturer vetoed even further BoP helps for the Rebellion before Le Mans on the basis that the car had only done one race. And therefore they "only' got -40kg / +3,7liters / no consumption limit instead of even more. Which would imply that if Rebellion now gets further BoP for the next race, ACO couldn't (?) be able to give the same values for Lotus as they hadn't had the mileage so...

Referring to the 2014 Sporting Regulations, "EQUIVALENCE SYSTEMS (PERFORMANCE AND TECHNOLOGIES)", page 6, it is merely mentioned that the Endurance Committee can adapt the performance of the LMP1-L cars (as a whole), the relevant references being the average lap time of the fastest car in each technology :

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In order to limit the differences between the Light (LMP1-L) category cars and the Hybrid (LMP1-H) category cars, the Endurance Committee will be able to adapt the performance of the LMP1-L cars in accordance with the following conditions:
A. The reference will be the calculation of the average lap time of the fastest car in each technology. The average lap time will be calculated over the number of laps corresponding to 20% of the distance of the races (average of the best laps).
The models of the cars with the slowest technologies must have participated in at least two races and must have been properly classified in order to be able to benefit from the application of the rule.
The first adjustment of performance may be applied at any time by the Endurance Committee.
The Committee will have the right to request any necessary information from the manufacturers and/or the competitors, in order to the shed light on the issue at hand. Any such information will be treated in a strictly confidential manner.

I understand this as excluding the possibility of individual BoP-like adjustment within any of the LMP1-L and LMP1-H categories. Besides, the Endurance Committee can only "play" with the Appendix B figures and there is only one relevant column in the LMP1-L category and for each ERS option in the LMP1-H category.

I personally don't see a problem with this. There will at least be some competition in the LMP1-L category for the best-in-class position and this will provide a more representative picture of the respective levels of performance between privateers and manufacturers. Having two references is better than having just one.

Deleted · 27 Jun 2014, 14:12 (Ref:3427165)

Yeah I much rather take this than individual-BoP annoyance

TF110 · 27 Jun 2014, 22:28 (Ref:3427298)

Theres a planned track test for an entire week coming next month.

rich07 · 28 Jun 2014, 00:44 (Ref:3427328)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

I'd still like to see a picture which shows the car actually moving at speed.

Hahahaha nice one

Victor_RO · 28 Jun 2014, 04:57 (Ref:3427371)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

I'd still like to see a picture which shows the car actually moving at speed.

Same here, these "shakedown" photos remind me a lot of the GreenGT "shakedown" photos that were released days before the project was withdrawn from Le Mans and we never heard a peep from it since.

TF110 · 28 Jun 2014, 07:55 (Ref:3427397)

Theyre real. It was done on an airfield so there isnt anything to be seen in glamour shots. It only did about 100km of running.

Simmi · 28 Jun 2014, 10:01 (Ref:3427414)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Theyre real. It was done on an airfield so there isnt anything to be seen in glamour shots. It only did about 100km of running.

Not accusing them of lying but it doesn't help the credibility of the programme as much as it could. I've seen two shots from this shakedown and both times the car looked parked.

TF110 · 28 Jun 2014, 10:12 (Ref:3427416)

Theyll be testing next month. Plenty of time for pictures there. I already see differences to the car from the launch. Main one being the fin.

Albers Fan · 28 Jun 2014, 10:36 (Ref:3427422)

Albers and Kaffer complete the testweek in two weeks in Southspain.
I'm absolutly happy.

i will write from the test on my twitter account "LotusLMP1Fan".

tux · 28 Jun 2014, 11:32 (Ref:3427437)

So so sad that some of you will moan about a lack of LMP1 cars to compete with Rebellion and then when one comes along your all desperate for it to fail so that you can say "told you so".

Simmi · 28 Jun 2014, 13:34 (Ref:3427472)

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Originally Posted by tux

So so sad that some of you will moan about a lack of LMP1 cars to compete with Rebellion and then when one comes along your all desperate for it to fail so that you can say "told you so".

If you're referring to my posts you couldn't be more wrong. The fact is this car hasn't arrived until it turns up at a race. Fingers crossed it does.

tux · 28 Jun 2014, 19:42 (Ref:3427595)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

If you're referring to my posts you couldn't be more wrong. The fact is this car hasn't arrived until it turns up at a race. Fingers crossed it does.

Not aimed directly at you, just the general negativity surrounding the project, of course it didnt look good when they kept delaying, but at least now they have made some progress. Prehaps my comments come across too strong and i apologies for this.

Mr Pink · 28 Jun 2014, 19:45 (Ref:3427597)

I don't think anyone want's them to fail, I know I'd love to see more privateers, but I think the scepticism is justified.

**FIRE** · 28 Jun 2014, 20:06 (Ref:3427605)

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Originally Posted by Mr Pink

I don't think anyone want's them to fail, I know I'd love to see more privateers, but I think the scepticism is justified.

I agree.

TheNo1F1Fan · 28 Jun 2014, 20:09 (Ref:3427609)

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Originally Posted by Mr Pink

I don't think anyone want's them to fail, I know I'd love to see more privateers, but I think the scepticism is justified.

Agree

TF110 · 28 Jun 2014, 21:27 (Ref:3427635)

The car is clearly real. They just completed a shakedown and testing begins soon. I think its safe to assume theyre ready unless something tragic happens.

**joeb** · 28 Jun 2014, 21:42 (Ref:3427641)

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Originally Posted by TF110

The car is clearly real. They just completed a shakedown and testing begins soon. I think its safe to assume theyre ready unless something tragic happens.

Like failing crash test again?

Albers Fan · 8 Jul 2014, 19:51 (Ref:3431903)

Lotus startet the testweek today in spain.
Thomas Holzer send a picture yesterday on twitter.

He will test with Albers and Kaffer.

**FIRE** · 8 Jul 2014, 20:08 (Ref:3431906)

Albers has time to test now he's running Caterham F1?

tux · 10 Jul 2014, 11:27 (Ref:3432451)

some more "fake"testing pictures http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/chr...a-monteblanco/

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