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22 Dec 2006, 13:13 (Ref:1797660) | #51 | ||
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I'm not sure it was the same car, which is why I asked the question. Reporting on Andy's first outing in the Sana, at Croft on 10 July 1977, Motoring News (21 Jul 1977 p6) says the car had been "built in a rush from a box of bits labelled 'Sana' - the car having F2 rear suspension and F3 front". The week before this race, Motoring News (7 Jul 1977 p16) noted that Barton had "acquired an old Sana F2/Atlantic chassis for the rest of the racing season". As Andy Jr says the car came from John Thompson, I'm wondering if this was a third Sana, which had not previously been built up. It does leave the question of what happened to Withers car. I can't recall seeing any mention of any other Sana after 1976. Allen |
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22 Dec 2006, 14:22 (Ref:1797716) | #52 | ||
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Agreed on no other sightings of the 'Blue' Sana after 76 Allen, I just assumed they must be 1 and the same car. The 1st MN report seems to imply it was the Withers car, esp given its F2/F3 suspension bits. I can't believe Eden would have bought/built 3 of them would he ??
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22 Dec 2006, 14:36 (Ref:1797730) | #53 | |
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somewhere in the dim n dark past the name Sana was mumbled by the good and late Roger Hurst Esquire
whether he had some parts or sold acar or chassis i cannot advise as i didnt get the car into the discussion more a passing comment by Roger whilst discussing other matters dont read to much into it but i thought i should mention it in case a bell rings with you guys |
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24 Dec 2006, 05:48 (Ref:1798606) | #55 | |
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Hi Andy i just found this site after putting in your dads name into googgle. I used to follow your dad all over the place when i was a kid, i even had a trip to meet him at his garage in Newburn for a present on my 12th birthday,could you give him my name and see if he remembers me. I live in Nortallerton and i was on a night out in Newcastle and i bumped in to Ernie who used to work for your dad and we had a good laugh about the old racing days
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26 Apr 2007, 17:59 (Ref:1901093) | #56 | ||
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Hello Andy!
Hi Andy Barton Junior, I think. Tell the old man I was asking after him. He bought my F.Atlantic 73B rolling chassis, I always remember what an ace Dad you have!
I was racing at Ingliston in 1975, in my Clubmans car, and I had a punctured float in one of the carbs. I spent lap after lap chasing another car but just couldnt get past as on all the right hand bends the car was flooding and misfiring. My only real chance was a left hander before entering the Stadium, but he kept looking in his mirror and blocking me. In the end I caught him napping, and as he realised he tried to shut the door on me. Of course the inevitable happened and I basically "T" boned him. We ended up with him sideways on and me in his side. I promptly stuck my car in reverse, pulled back, and then shot off and won the race! His helpers went absolutely mad at me, "......can't you stand to lose a race" etc, etc. I was actually quite embarrassed, I hadn't meant it to happen like that, but in my defence said something along the lines that he had seen me in his mirrors enough to block me, it's a pity he didn't see me in his mirrors when I was half past him! Anyhow it wasn't very nice, untill I found out that your old man Andy, who was in the Grandstand, had been absolutely ecstatic when I did it, leapt up cheering "Good old Frizzie" or something, I think he thought I did it on pupose and really appreciated it! I will say this now, I really appreciated Andy's support, the spectators were on my side too, as your old man was so popular! Happy Days, Keep well. Tell him to look at my "Driver File", see what I am up to these days, it'll give him a laugh. Jeremy Shaw (Autosport reporter of our days, lives in US of A now said, and I quote "That is a great photo! And a good example for "spot the loonie!" I can't believe you do that! " All the best Andy, Cheers, Geoff Friswell. |
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13 Jun 2007, 13:09 (Ref:1935919) | #58 | |||
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Another time at Croft he was having the usual furious dice with Sedric bell and another car, probably Alex Clacher's Imp and coming out of the chicane there was no room for three cars wide up the pit straight and one of them, Sedric I think, had to drive straight up the pit road at unabated speed then back on to the circuit after the pits. Highly dangerous, but amusing at the time. I think he also raced a Mini Marcos at some stage. |
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23 Jun 2007, 11:35 (Ref:1944856) | #59 | |
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Hi, defiantely not Davey Muter in the team photo.
Dad did drive a Sana...dunno who it was did the pit lane thing...but do remember hearing about it...will find out for you Ta! AB Jnr |
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23 Jul 2007, 14:20 (Ref:1971186) | #60 | ||
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As posted elsewhere, I had a fascinating chat with Warren Booth last Friday. He remembers Andy being very quick, and one particular race at Croft. Warren was in his B42, Andy his FAt March, Warren won, though had Andy literally 'bashing' his gearbox throughout the race tryong to get past!
Warren also recalled hiring the Barton/Sana from Andy for a race. He'd sold the Scott and before he bought the B42, he was contracted to do a race by Crown, so needed a suitable car. Neither I no he could remember how he did in it. |
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13 Feb 2008, 01:35 (Ref:2127603) | #61 | |
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Dear Andy/Jnr,
I have recently joined the forum on the 772 p/ 782 thread. I believe I may have your original March 782 that was bought/built from the March works spare tub and works factory parts. I have posted photos of the car on the 772p thread and would appreciate if you could have a look and reply as I obviously would dearly like to track the history of the car with the end result of hopefully having a legitimate chassis number(as it was a works tub). Many thanks Roy |
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13 Aug 2013, 23:45 (Ref:3289476) | #63 | |
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Andy Barton Ironman of the North
Back to the future, 1981 having arrived in the UK on our way to Ireland to purchase the Nugent Autosport advertised Argo JM8 #44 Atlantic (he took a deposit on the car while we were in the air) we diverted to Argo to meet with Jo Marquart who put us on the path to the Rackham Argo JM5 #36 so South we go down past Lydden and do the deal, crate the car and call Rapid Transport to collect it up. Now on to the Ironman portion of this story. We need a BDA, there is one advertised in Autosport we call, I can't understand a word the person on the other end of the phone is saying, something about Allen Smith BDA it was the man him self talking about his hart (Hart 420) it was my impression we had to get there quick as there was a problem with his hart. Off we go to the North find Andy at the garage and the motor is in the car (March of some duravation) loved the grease and total disheveled look of the place. Purchased the BDA on the spot Andy said no problem will crate it and send it on let's go to my place and have a bite what a lovely evening his wife (I am remiss for I can not remember her name) made Yorkshire Pudding. She was on the UK international bridge team. Having meet Argo ( Jo and Nick Jordan) Dave Rackham and the Andy Barton I have the fondest memories of club racing in the UK. By the way that Argo JM5 with the Allen Smith BDA won it's first race in the US a SCCA National with James Blackwell driving. I just love this forum.
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8 Dec 2015, 01:16 (Ref:3596278) | #65 | ||
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Another post asked where he got his cars from, well one mini was 2 bits of floor pan welded together. Iiirc it was the last deseamed one with the glass fibre roof. |
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23 Nov 2019, 11:15 (Ref:3942310) | #68 | ||
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Was looking through an old album for photos for something else, and found this picture of Andy Barton's mini entered for David Muter to drive at Croft on 30th May 1966.
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2 Oct 2020, 18:54 (Ref:4008074) | #69 | ||
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Just reread this thread as Andy Barton was THE Mini driver of the 1960s here up north. I would regularly see him at Croft and Rufforth usually dicing closely with Sedric Bell and Alec Clacher's Imp. The picture in post number 68 is just as I remember first seeing the car and it was white with a turquoise blue stripe down the centre and a later car had the stripe extended round the radiator opening. I'm sure that Alec Clacher's Imp was a pale yellow but for some reason I'm not certain what colour Sedric's Mini was. I think it may have been blue with a red roof but I just can't remember. Time/memory ...... it's a b*gger getting old.
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3 Oct 2020, 13:51 (Ref:4008264) | #70 | ||
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Just remembered that Clacher's Imp was light green/dark green but still can't remember Sedric's Mini.
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13 Jun 2022, 09:02 (Ref:4115306) | #71 | |
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Sadly Andy Barton passed away on June 5th in Newcastle. There are tributes on his nephew Phillips page with pictures of the great man.
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13 Jun 2022, 12:26 (Ref:4115342) | #72 | ||
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Sad to hear this. RIP Andy (a big man in many ways).
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13 Jun 2022, 14:39 (Ref:4115382) | #73 | ||
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a red stripe. Andy's car was what looked like off white emulsion with a blue stripe. |
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23 Aug 2023, 22:21 (Ref:4173782) | #74 | |
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Legends never die... so good his history is recorded here
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16 Sep 2023, 11:00 (Ref:4176825) | #75 | ||
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Hello Andy,
So sorry to see your Dad has passed..... I am 80 and put the first post in my life on any site here yesterday. Ref:4176713) It was to try to contact several people that the family of Peter Howarth suggested might be able to throw light on who Peter bought the 1953 Staride 500 F3 single seater from in the mid 1950s......your father was one of them. The others were Dave Muter, Alan Tobias and Dick Hutchinson, with Dick having worked for Peter in one of his garage businesses. I have put more detail on my post.......may be you can help me?......Clive Cooper....Somerset. Last edited by Clive Cooper; 16 Sep 2023 at 11:17. Reason: to add a post ref No |
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