A return to Canberra?? - Page 3

275 GTB-4 · 6 Sep 2021, 00:17 (Ref:4072225)

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Originally Posted by buzz

Interesting, the ACT Council of Motor Clubs usually holds their big multi club car show 'WHEELS' on the lawns of Old Parliament House, right next to where the old GMC race track went - but this year due to the lawns being innundated with water from storms, the event was held at Equestrian Park, the horse racing track. While only a static event the event was very well received, had good parking for visitors lots of shade and covered areas plus great coffee, food and drink concessions and looks like being used again in the future. Now to get the cars moving....

(sorry for the late reply!)

Wheels hasn't been held in Can'tberra for some years due to the attitude of the anti car, local-yokel, gummint...

https://cartorque.co/car-shows/shann...-2021-nsw-5737

275 GTB-4 · 8 Sep 2021, 00:20 (Ref:4072558)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Something like that.. makes sense to enable a sporting venue for multiple types of entertainment.

Horse racing dont use their tracks every single week for racing, morning trackwork not withstanding, while motor racing dont use them that regularly either...

You could use common grandstands, hospitality areas, carparks, comfort stop amenities and the like...

So.. who has the vision.. ?

Just like Poke-a-kiwi?...that has been a decades long, constant battle between the Horsey types and the Motorsport fraternity...

Casper · 8 Sep 2021, 02:35 (Ref:4072566)

Eastern Creek (SMP) is in full time use as is Wakefield Park. Try and book some time on those tracks and you will see what I mean.

275 GTB-4 · 9 Sep 2021, 03:35 (Ref:4072717)

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Originally Posted by Casper

Eastern Creek (SMP) is in full time use as is Wakefield Park. Try and book some time on those tracks and you will see what I mean.

With a lot of Track Days and other activities rather than race meetings...

Casper · 9 Sep 2021, 08:23 (Ref:4072739)

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Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

With a lot of Track Days and other activities rather than race meetings...

And the problem with that is?

275 GTB-4 · 10 Sep 2021, 00:42 (Ref:4072881)

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Originally Posted by Casper

And the problem with that is?

Just sayin...you build race tracks for raisen...all the other activities are just ancillary to their primary purpose (if ya get me drift?)...

Casper · 10 Sep 2021, 13:52 (Ref:4072936)

They first have to be a viable business, these days racing comes second and cash flow first unfortunately. No cash flow no racing circuit.

275 GTB-4 · 10 Sep 2021, 22:26 (Ref:4072992)

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Originally Posted by Casper

They first have to be a viable business, these days racing comes second and cash flow first unfortunately. No cash flow no racing circuit.

Ohhhhhhhhh, Financial Viability 101...are you saying Race Meetings generally run at a loss? I doubt it!

[last comment in this vein/vane!]

Casper · 11 Sep 2021, 02:13 (Ref:4073016)

Do you think that they run at such a profit the circuit needs no additional income to be viable.

The IC · 11 Sep 2021, 15:44 (Ref:4073100)

For anyone interested, I mocked up the track based on that CarsGuide map to see it in action while testing/learning a few 3D modelling workflows

Event planning permission hurdles aside, the track itself would need a lot of construction work...every road inside EPIC is only 6m wide (plus the road between the proposed T4 and 5 is dirt), I bumped those up to around 9m for this

There's several safety related issues I'm not sure how they would be addressed either, other than extensive demolition and repositioning of things... T1+2 combo, T6 intersection at Morisset Rd and Flemington Rd with the light rail immediately next to it, and the final two corners going through the main gate of EPIC in particular...

Still, was a bit of fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQSbCsyhgIA

Alan52 · 11 Sep 2021, 21:21 (Ref:4073157)

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Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

Just sayin...you build race tracks for raisen...all the other activities are just ancillary to their primary purpose (if ya get me drift?)...

Financially race meetings are the “ancillary” part in the viability of most race circuits.If you look at somewhere like Eastern Creek they take up way less than half of circuit usage.
As for their profitability that depends on how much the circuit owners can charge the groups hiring the circuit or how much competitor entry fees they collect if they are running the meeting themselves.You need to be turning a profit with 0 spectators.

275 GTB-4 · 11 Sep 2021, 22:10 (Ref:4073171)

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Originally Posted by Alan52

Financially race meetings are the “ancillary” part in the viability of most race circuits.If you look at somewhere like Eastern Creek they take up way less than half of circuit usage.
As for their profitability that depends on how much the circuit owners can charge the groups hiring the circuit or how much competitor entry fees they collect if they are running the meeting themselves.You need to be turning a profit with 0 spectators.

Circular argument alert!

Yes and you could build an airstrip but just rent it out for Motorsport...the possibilities are endless!

Just Do It! · 12 Sep 2021, 23:16 (Ref:4073495)

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Originally Posted by The IC

For anyone interested, I mocked up the track based on that CarsGuide map to see it in action while testing/learning a few 3D modelling workflows

Event planning permission hurdles aside, the track itself would need a lot of construction work...every road inside EPIC is only 6m wide (plus the road between the proposed T4 and 5 is dirt), I bumped those up to around 9m for this

There's several safety related issues I'm not sure how they would be addressed either, other than extensive demolition and repositioning of things... T1+2 combo, T6 intersection at Morisset Rd and Flemington Rd with the light rail immediately next to it, and the final two corners going through the main gate of EPIC in particular...

Still, was a bit of fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQSbCsyhgIA

A very good effort at such short notice. What software title were you running when you made the video?

Micklegend · 13 Sep 2021, 03:45 (Ref:4073530)

Haven’t been here for a while but my 2 cents worth.

If anyone has been to the Nats you will know this is a great ready built location for all facilities. The proposed track is not the worst location and could be workable in parts, largely away from joe public and their beloved tram but it would impact a fair amount on the NIMBYs.

EPIC (Canberra showground) roads are tiny so major works required inside and also to some of the existing facilities, but not the worst thing that could happen to the place. It’s old.

Purpose built pits inside EPIC along Flemington road would work.

Grandstand and viewing areas, plenty of room for earth mounds and covered temp stands.

All in all, this proposal has merit but the cash to get it up and running would be stopped by the greens who helped kill our last event. As well as the weather, this would have to be between October and March to get the best Canberra weather.

Wakefield is going through its own issues with NIMBYS complaining about noise. There will be the same issues at EPIC because the locals really don’t like summernats.

I hope they work on it and it becomes a reality.

The IC · 13 Sep 2021, 05:49 (Ref:4073541)

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Originally Posted by Just Do It!

A very good effort at such short notice. What software title were you running when you made the video?

Cheers. All been modeled in 3dsMAX (been using that for 19 years now) and then put into Assetto Corsa, driving the 911 GT3 Cup car from one of the official Porsche DLC addons for it.

If I get time I'll try and do a revision of it to sort some of the safety issues and a proper pitlane of some sort, then get the AI working and see if its decent for actual racing. I've been trying to look at it from a feasibility point of view, rather than just going bonkers.

I'm not 100% clued up on what they can and can't do for street circuits, but in my head the whole point of a street circuit was that you didn't want to do anything extensive or permanent to keep costs down...but then we also have Townsville which seems to be 2/3 of a permanent racetrack anyway

Just Do It! · 14 Sep 2021, 02:43 (Ref:4073756)

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Originally Posted by The IC

Cheers. All been modeled in 3dsMAX (been using that for 19 years now) and then put into Assetto Corsa, driving the 911 GT3 Cup car from one of the official Porsche DLC addons for it.

If I get time I'll try and do a revision of it to sort some of the safety issues and a proper pitlane of some sort, then get the AI working and see if its decent for actual racing. I've been trying to look at it from a feasibility point of view, rather than just going bonkers.

I'm not 100% clued up on what they can and can't do for street circuits, but in my head the whole point of a street circuit was that you didn't want to do anything extensive or permanent to keep costs down...but then we also have Townsville which seems to be 2/3 of a permanent racetrack anyway

Sounds really good. The event organisers might through you a few sovereigns to sort it and make a video so they can use it to showcase to potential sponsors

275 GTB-4 · 16 Sep 2021, 22:50 (Ref:4074275)

Wow! It could be Carbon Neutral (until the Flag drops!)

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sto...k-to-canberra/

275 GTB-4 · 19 Sep 2021, 01:22 (Ref:4074576)

A positive report re the race...

https://the-riotact.com/is-canberra-...s-again/494980

Casper · 19 Sep 2021, 03:12 (Ref:4074606)

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Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

A positive report re the race...

https://the-riotact.com/is-canberra-...s-again/494980

If the opposition got rid of the race all those years ago then it will be a lot stronger today so don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen. Motor sport is niche and has become more niche in the last 20 years so the support in the ACT for this event will be small at best.

275 GTB-4 · 20 Sep 2021, 00:33 (Ref:4074735)

For those who might be interested...sad auditors report from Canberra 400...

Casper · 20 Sep 2021, 08:46 (Ref:4074764)

For some reason I can't read that PDF, it asks me to sign in when I already have then refuses to accept the new sign in.

275 GTB-4 · 20 Sep 2021, 23:10 (Ref:4074857)

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Originally Posted by Casper

For some reason I can't read that PDF, it asks me to sign in when I already have then refuses to accept the new sign in.

It opens for me on this site...maybe check your PDF reader version etc...I have Adobe, Acrobat Reader...

Casper · 21 Sep 2021, 00:12 (Ref:4074861)

Two different computers and neither opens it and both using AA for PDF's. Such is life.

E.B · 21 Sep 2021, 05:35 (Ref:4074878)

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Originally Posted by Casper

Two different computers and neither opens it and both using AA for PDF's. Such is life.

My (AppleMac) laptop wont open it but it will download it (as a .pdf) so I was then able to open it that way once downloaded to the computer

Oldtony · 21 Sep 2021, 08:50 (Ref:4074885)

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Originally Posted by E.B

My (AppleMac) laptop wont open it but it will download it (as a .pdf) so I was then able to open it that way once downloaded to the computer

PDF downloaded OK for me on my desktop EB.
Reading it makes you realise the sort of operator TC was at the time.
The use of "interesting" income and spending distribution ratios and figures in those days was reaching a fairly unbelievable level.
Must admit to using earlier, and less optimistic figures ( and truly believing them) in a much earlier life back in the early 70s.
They certainly don't stand up to auditing by National Treasury.
Personally I doubt if Supercars (or any development thereof) would convince any Government to under-write an event these days unless it was backed by significant political influence and a very good business case.

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