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16 Nov 2022, 10:04 (Ref:4133925) | #51 | ||
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The uncomfortable truth is the team has not operated at the top level since the Todt/Brawn//Stepney/Byrne/ Schumacher group disbanded. I know Binotto is Swiss but Italian by any other measure. The Todt group all stuck together - no knifing or stabbing. It would seem looking at Italian politics, Italian football etc it is a National trait to avoid responsibility and blame others - there is the problem
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Could the cost cap have a negative impact on Ferrari being able to have the right people in the right roles?
One would say if they are struggling they could try to poach strategists, engineers or techincal staff from Mercedes or Red Bull. However these are probably all based in UK with families there as well. So to poach them Fer would have to pay them more to make it enticing - which would mean less money for car development I am pretty sure they can have really great techincal people and strategists in Italy, but maybe due to a lack of existing pool of knowledge in recent years means it takes longer for them to build such staff up? Benefits of working in UK is that you have 7 F1 teams and countless other motorsport teams where one can learn and develop on a clear career path. |
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Actually 8 F1 teams are based in the UK. AT's technical base is in Bicester.
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I think the big issue for Ferrari is group-think - relatively few of their senior staff seem to come from other teams. We reference the Todt/Byrne/Braun era - all of them came from highly performing teams before Ferrari and that experience surely helped and perhaps helped to challenge some of the inner workings there.
I will say that in the immensely toxic environment of the F1 paddock, Binotto is always polite and measured in interviews, very much a gentleman amongst the others, and this will be missed on my part at least. |
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Apologies for going - - just thought (fort) it worth sharing. Back on topic - I am hearing from certain Italian colleagues that the denial is just the Agnelli way to approach things. They are determined that they (and not the source of the 'leak') will be the controlling factor over the timing of the news. They have history for similar controlling activities at The Old Lady - and this is more of the same. If these comments are accurate - then Binotto's exit is already determined, and it will be orchestrated publicly at a time of Exor's choosing. It is worth noting that La Gazzetta dello Sport ran the story, Corriere dello Sport and Corriere della Sera are now also publishing comment that it is a 'done deal'. But la Repubblica (from what I have read) are denying the story. |
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A perfect vacancy for Michael Andretti!Seriously,I can't think of a reason anybody would want the job,the money would be some compensation for the incessant pressure from the fans and the media but for the last fifteen years they have reverted to being Ferrari.By which I mean they have the key ingredients in place but don't use them wisely.It isn't lack of resources and I doubt whether a new Guilford Technical Office would work.
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Interesting info here with the "full backstory". Some interesting info within, in particular about the senior management above Binotto.
https://racingnews365.com/binottos-f...full-backstory. This bit made me chuckle. Quote:
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It's a shame because after the first 4 or 5 races I thought that we were headed for a great season long battle between LeClerc and Verstappen. Red Bull obviously out-developed Ferrari over the course of the season, but the amount of points that Ferrari blundered away was horrific. Ferrari launched a great car. Perhaps next season will be better for them, but I think that maybe the upheaval of a new person at the top will hinder the team just when they are nearly there... |
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I still believe Ferrari does not know what makes their car so fast. They developed it earlier than RB and Merc and had a winning car at the start. But then it stagnated - RB pulled miles ahead and Merc caught up with them by end of season. They also said they could not develop due to budget - this to me sounds like they do not know what makes the car fast and how to develop it further If this is true and a new team manager will crate more uncertainty that does not look good for future. Also no replacement announced - never a good sign. An organisation like Ferrari you imagine they have staff in place ready to take over when top guy leaves even if in the interim to start with |
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Possibly this might become clearer next October when the cap budget certificates are or not issued to cover the 2022 spending. |
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Budget management and car development through the season is a whole new strategy that some of the bigger teams need to get their heads around in this new era. Perhaps Merc and RBR did this in a different way to Ferrari that enabled them to catch up / overtake.
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Why are people defending Binotto? Calling him a scape goat? He's been in charge for years, and this year was peak ridiculousness for Ferrari. They were incapable of making a decision that wasn't hilarious. They went from title contenders, to fighting for runner up.
Binotto is in charge of making them a success. They were not a success and the decisions the team made every week made them look like clowns. They were so bad they were a meme. And now people are like "Well that's not fair". It is fair. The team are a joke. He's in charge. |
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You're right. And if the penny has not dropped in 3-4 years I'm not surprised he's finding himself unemployed.
All of the arguments for keeping him appear to hinge around everyone around him is crap. Well, that's his job to sort that. |
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Clearly you don't understand how it works there.....
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Evidently neither does Binotto, or he'd still have a job.
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