Hang Your Head In Shame Colin Bond - Page 3

TeamChaparral · 26 May 2003, 11:03 (Ref:610294)

Yeah... Have you got it ????

dennisonthenet · 26 May 2003, 11:14 (Ref:610303)

so now weel drives a holden he becomes a superdriver?

Archer · 26 May 2003, 13:53 (Ref:610459)

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Originally posted by Bomn
Do you want their E-Mail address?

How wide is the track?

2 cars can fit through the corner side by side.

Why not those two?

:confused:

FatBoy · 26 May 2003, 13:59 (Ref:610464)

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Originally posted by Bomn
How wide is the track?
2 cars can fit through the corner side by side.
Why not those two?

Geez, maybe because Lowndesy was on the racing line when he lost it and drifted off ?? Or are you going to tell me the damage was fair and square in the middle of Murph's car ??

Bomn · 27 May 2003, 01:13 (Ref:611026)

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Originally posted by FatBoy without reading the thread
Geez, maybe because Lowndesy was on the racing line when he lost it and drifted off ?? Or are you going to tell me the damage was fair and square in the middle of Murph's car ??

Before you Quote me you could at least read what we were discussing.

Ambrose's pass on Wilson was at one of the best passing spots on that track. If you get it right, like Ambrose did you can make the other driver have to give way. Obviously Wilson didn't see him come up along side him. If you get it wrong you end up looking like a dill like Skaife did.

You all cry out for consistency in the rulings except when it is against your guy. Bright on Ambrose at Philip Island didn’t invoke this much discussion and that is the worst call the officials have made this year.

For the record I think Murphys penalty is fine “but” Lowndes then continued through the infield and rejoined the track two corners away from where he went off which has to be the worst case of kerb hopping I have ever seen go unpunished.

As for Crompton he is wrong to attack Colin Bond. Colin is the driving standards advisor he “Does Not” give the penalty so to blame him just shows how little Neil knows about the field he is supposed to be an expert in.

An example of his lack of knowledge was shown when Greg Rust did that little take on brake discs. Rust told us that the discs have grooves in them to clear the gasses and dust away from the face of the pad. After he finished Crompton added, “The grooves also give the pad more bite”. Now how do the grooves give the pads more bite? By clearing the gasses and dust from the face of the pad.

rdmdog · 27 May 2003, 01:51 (Ref:611043)

One Question.

DID MURPH GAIN ANY ADVANTAGE FROM THE INCIDENT?

Answer: NO

Nuff said, work it out Stewards!

RaceTime · 27 May 2003, 02:15 (Ref:611050)

Quote:

Originally posted by Bomn
As for Crompton he is wrong to attack Colin Bond. Colin is the driving standards advisor he “Does Not” give the penalty so to blame him just shows how little Neil knows about the field he is supposed to be an expert in.

The opinion of the Driving Standards Officer is taken virtually as gospel which, if you have worked in Race Control, will know that if Bond says 'Driver X has breached rule nnnn' then it is in 90% of cases acted on without question.

That is what he is there for.

Mattracer · 27 May 2003, 05:00 (Ref:611102)

OK, I haven't worked in Race Control- I'm just a humble enthusiast but it seems to be a blanket enforcement as in if you touch/brush/tap or punt another car, however minor and unintentional, you will get a drive-thru.

rdmdog · 27 May 2003, 05:17 (Ref:611107)

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Originally posted by Bomn

An example of his lack of knowledge was shown when Greg Rust did that little take on brake discs. Rust told us that the discs have grooves in them to clear the gasses and dust away from the face of the pad. After he finished Crompton added, “The grooves also give the pad more bite”. Now how do the grooves give the pads more bite? By clearing the gasses and dust from the face of the pad.

You have just displayed your lack of knowledge, Crompton isnt referring to the pads on your Camry here!!!!!

Gunslinger · 27 May 2003, 05:19 (Ref:611108)

Oh dear oh dear oh dear....

By Mr. Bomn...

Quote:

An example of his (Crompton's) lack of knowledge was shown when Greg Rust did that little take on brake discs. Rust told us that the discs have grooves in them to clear the gasses and dust away from the face of the pad. After he finished Crompton added, “The grooves also give the pad more bite”. Now how do the grooves give the pads more bite? By clearing the gasses and dust from the face of the pad.

LOL!! Yes Bomn. That's why the grooves are ultimately there. You see, they allow air coming through the veins to clear the dust from the face of the pad which gives the pads more bite/grip.

Gunslinger · 27 May 2003, 05:21 (Ref:611110)

Of course they also help in cooling both the disc and the pad....

Rhys_00 · 27 May 2003, 06:24 (Ref:611130)

In my infinite inexperience, I was of the impression that the grooves were useful for gripping. Whereas the rest of the pad is compressed against the disc, a part of the pad will 'bite' into the groove. Am i wrong here?

Gunslinger · 27 May 2003, 07:01 (Ref:611140)

Well, yeah sorry Rhys. [

] As i said, they're there to clear rubbish from the disc and pad, and cooling. If the leading edge of the pad was to hit the edge of the groove, well, you can guess what would happen.

So Crompton is correct.

Bomn · 27 May 2003, 09:04 (Ref:611210)

Quote:

Originally posted by RaceTime
The opinion of the Driving Standards Officer is taken virtually as gospel which, if you have worked in Race Control, will know that if Bond says 'Driver X has breached rule nnnn' then it is in 90% of cases acted on without question.

That is what he is there for.

Yes but he does not tell anybody to smack their bum and send them to bed without dinner thats Tims job.

RaceTime · 27 May 2003, 09:15 (Ref:611218)

You sure about sending them to bed without dinner though?

Bomn · 27 May 2003, 09:37 (Ref:611236)

Quote:

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Oh dear oh dear oh dear....

By Mr. Bomn...

LOL!! Yes Bomn. That's why the grooves are ultimately there. You see, they allow air coming through the veins to clear the dust from the face of the pad which gives the pads more bite/grip.

The air coming through the veins gets into the grooves how?

http://www.apracing.com/car/brakedisc/choice.htm

Grooved Discs : Grooves improve 'cleaning' of the pad surfaces and result in a more consistent brake performance.

Drilled Discs : Cross-Drilled discs offer improved 'bite' and 'feel', but are less resistant to cracking than grooved or plain discs.

Morris 1100 · 27 May 2003, 10:08 (Ref:611265)

Quote:

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Oh dear oh dear oh dear....
LOL!! Yes Bomn. That's why the grooves are ultimately there. You see, they allow air coming through the veins to clear the dust from the face of the pad which gives the pads more bite/grip.

Air coming through the veins?????

Another 10 Tenths armchair expert!

This is why Crompton is dangerous!
All the people at home believe that he is right when he is wrong.
He sounds convincing but if you know your stuff you will find some big mistakes by Crompton.

Amaroo Park · 27 May 2003, 10:24 (Ref:611281)

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Originally posted by Morris 1100
Air coming through the veins?????

Another 10 Tenths armchair expert!

This is why Crompton is dangerous!
All the people at home believe that he is right when he is wrong.
He sounds convincing but if you know your stuff you will find some big mistakes by Crompton.

Well put

Archer · 27 May 2003, 13:17 (Ref:611439)

Quote:

Originally posted by colinbond
Well put

Just who the hell are you? Please tell us because we're all dying to know

You think you are above these people? Just remember you have know idea who I am mate!
You are not superior or have a better point of view than any of these people Mr 'I've been in race control', these people are not sheep and dont hang on Cromptons every word, in fact i agree with you- I think he's a goose too, but god if if ever had a point it was Sunday!
Stop over analysing and criticising and just watch the tape... Fool!

RaceTime · 27 May 2003, 13:51 (Ref:611468)

So - tell us who you are then before trying to come down like a ton of bricks on others...

tanalised · 27 May 2003, 18:04 (Ref:611690)

It has been my observation that the Aussie V8 forum is usually the *****iest one running on ten tenths.

Gunslinger · 27 May 2003, 19:50 (Ref:611755)

LOL man there's a couple of clowns here on this site. OK should have said veins help in the cooling, grooves help in keeping the rubbish off the pad and disc. Talking about pedantic.

"Stop over analysing and criticising and just watch the tape... Fool!"

Now that is well put.

Incredible how such a blatent example of idiotic stewardsmanship can blow out into such a thick argument. Defend it all you like, makes you look even more thick.

Bomn · 27 May 2003, 22:41 (Ref:611928)

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Originally posted by Archer
Just who the hell are you? Please tell us because we're all dying to know
You think you are above these people? Just remember you have know idea who I am mate!
You are not superior or have a better point of view than any of these people Mr 'I've been in race control', these people are not sheep and dont hang on Cromptons every word, in fact i agree with you- I think he's a goose too, but god if if ever had a point it was Sunday!
Stop over analysing and criticising and just watch the tape... Fool!

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andrewmizzi · 28 May 2003, 02:23 (Ref:612017)

Could someone answer this for me? Are the stewards AVESCO officials? Or are they volunteers like all other officials?

Archer · 28 May 2003, 03:40 (Ref:612059)

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Originally posted by RaceTime
So - tell us who you are then before trying to come down like a ton of bricks on others...

Im not coming down on all of you, just the minority of you who for some reason keep defending the indefensible. Making stupid comments about not needing footage and the like, some of the things that have been said on this thread since I started have been the most ignorant words I’ve ever heard on this forum on par with-

“Why is the sky blue mum?”
“It’s not blue its green, didn’t you know?”
“No, I believe its blue.”
“Well you just stupid, its green, have a look!”
“Yeah I’m looking and it’s still blue.”

In other words, LOOK AT THE FOOTAGE!

I may have been hasty in blaming Colin Bond and only Colin Bond, I regret that, but Christ he said the most ignorant thing of all on Sunday and if you look and the footage you have, I repeat, HAVE to agree.

The whole race control structure is a shambles, Tony Cochrane said so himself on Sports Tonight. I’m not the biggest Tony fan either but as he mentioned the inconsistencies are starting to get out of control!

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