DTM 2012 Audi A5 DTM car - Page 3

helgi · 21 Sep 2011, 21:41 (Ref:2959293)

To say the truth, I'm really disappointed in the way DTM goes. It remains a "Big Bosses" arena. No private teams which can not be ruled by the works one (sending mechanics to put the hp down if a non works driver is too fast), boring tracks, stupid Munich show, "pilotesses" and so on. I wished there would be a strong silhouette platform. Now I see that it goes on with the marketing as the main reason for racing. Not progress, not sporting motive.

Matt · 22 Sep 2011, 05:29 (Ref:2959389)

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Originally Posted by Bramzel

Challenge accepted!

But seriously, how is this a sedan? Coupé's are defined by their roofline, not by their brothers or sisters.

The Oxford Dictionary decribes it as the following: a car with a fixed roof, two doors, and a sloping rear. Now you disagree on the 3-series coupé or A5 in the 'spirit of the coupé rules' but thats a purely personal opinion that can never be passed as a fact.

Coupes and sedans are classified by their interior volume.

My old Datsun 140Y was a two door sedan.

Bramzel · 24 Sep 2011, 18:40 (Ref:2960453)

Says who?

Matt · 24 Sep 2011, 22:34 (Ref:2960525)

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Originally Posted by Bramzel

Says who?

Says the SAE.

gwyllion · 2 Mar 2012, 11:24 (Ref:3033976)

The first picture of the final homologation version: http://www.touringcartimes.com/article.php?id=7254

It is very difficult to see the subtle changes. There are additional dive planes on the the nose and the exhaust is no longer positioned at the rear.

helgi · 2 Mar 2012, 19:57 (Ref:3034137)

No refueling recepticle (?) because no more refueling during the race. So a potential Super GT version would be different.

And that exhaust is rather high.

W.A Trichlorostyrene · 2 Mar 2012, 21:46 (Ref:3034202)

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Originally Posted by MJones94

So does this mean that the DTM field will be made up of all 2012 cars next season? Or will the 'lesser' drivers if you may move up to 2009 cars?

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

All new cars...

Could this mean a possible bigger car count in the next few years? I mean, could we see teams running on the older 2012 machinery, when the top teams will be running the new cars?

TF110 · 3 Mar 2012, 03:51 (Ref:3034317)

Bigger picture here- http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publi...cle_7550.shtml

**FIRE** · 3 Mar 2012, 12:02 (Ref:3034461)

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Originally Posted by helgi

No refueling recepticle (?) because no more refueling during the race. So a potential Super GT version would be different.

On the other side of the car?

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Originally Posted by W.A Trichlorostyrene

Could this mean a possible bigger car count in the next few years? I mean, could we see teams running on the older 2012 machinery, when the top teams will be running the new cars?

I doubt it.

**BertMk2** · 3 Mar 2012, 18:53 (Ref:3034604)

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Originally Posted by W.A Trichlorostyrene

Could this mean a possible bigger car count in the next few years? I mean, could we see teams running on the older 2012 machinery, when the top teams will be running the new cars?

As FIRE says I can't see the grid increasing in size by a lot (if at all), I suspect we'll see a situation like the last few years where the "works" teams run a new car and the others run a year old car. I'd like to be proved wrong on this one though and see at least 2 more of each marque running (year old will do!).

helgi · 3 Mar 2012, 20:00 (Ref:3034621)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

On the other side of the car?

Well, that ->

<- has no on the other side too.

Dead-Eye · 7 Mar 2012, 19:51 (Ref:3036638)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

On the other side of the car?

In the past it's generally been on the right. Looks gone to me too.

TF110 · 8 Mar 2012, 01:55 (Ref:3036776)

So wait, there's no refueling this season? That can't be, can it?

**BertMk2** · 8 Mar 2012, 10:39 (Ref:3036930)

Maybe it's on the boot? That'd keep it away from the higher exhausts on the sides. Anyone got a rear view of one of the new cars?

gwyllion · 8 Mar 2012, 11:35 (Ref:3036948)

Probably no refueling in 2012.

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A safety fuel tank with a capacity of 120 liters is integrated with the carbon fiber cell of the Audi A5 DTM. It would allow the current distance of a DTM race to be covered without a refueling stop. For longer races a quick refueling system is in development.

source: http://www.dtm.com/newsausgabe.php?id=10614

Speed-King · 8 Mar 2012, 16:51 (Ref:3037110)

Hmm, perhaps reading too much into it, but the fact that they are already developing a system for longer races is interesting. Of course it could be for VLN or Super GT, but I really think DTM should mix it up a bit and add two Aussie-style enduros to their schedule.

helgi · 8 Mar 2012, 18:58 (Ref:3037168)

It's a longstanding wish for DTM having different types of events (100 miles of Norisring, 2 Hours of Nurburgring). But instead they put some awesome stadium rennen because most of viewers won't understand normal, almost endurance racing. They prefer "prestigious" {(c) Mr.Haug} 1 hour run and lots of pop-music before and after. Of course, I say that after watching some video at ARD site. I have a right to mistake.

Speed-King · 8 Mar 2012, 21:57 (Ref:3037256)

I supposse the best we can hope for is that all manufacturers field a pair (or maybe more) of their DTM-cars in the 24hours at the Ring, which would make it a de facto DTM-endurance event.

It would be awesome if it was for points, but I don't think we'll be that lucky.

helgi · 9 Mar 2012, 07:29 (Ref:3037389)

It's pity they can not do something this year. They'll be at Brands Hatch on 20th of May.

DS" · 9 Mar 2012, 09:19 (Ref:3037418)

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Originally Posted by helgi

It's a longstanding wish for DTM having different types of events (100 miles of Norisring, 2 Hours of Nurburgring). But instead they put some awesome stadium rennen because most of viewers won't understand normal, almost endurance racing. They prefer "prestigious" {(c) Mr.Haug} 1 hour run and lots of pop-music before and after. Of course, I say that after watching some video at ARD site. I have a right to mistake.

Indeed! But after 12 years of the DTMasters, it shouldn't be a surprise anymore that the DTM is a marketing series. All we can hope for is that Aufrecht and Haug will leave the stage in a couple of years.

TF110 · 9 Mar 2012, 09:28 (Ref:3037423)

Wouldn't DTM's be too 'fast' for the Nurburgring?

Dead-Eye · 9 Mar 2012, 10:26 (Ref:3037442)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Wouldn't DTM's be too 'fast' for the Nurburgring?

There have been works DTM cars at the 24h from 2002 to 2004, and they haven't become much faster since.

TF110 · 12 Mar 2012, 07:40 (Ref:3038652)

With what kind of restrictions in place? Weight penalties? These cars are a bit faster around tracks than GT3's.

Speed-King · 12 Mar 2012, 11:01 (Ref:3038733)

DTM-cars are faster than GT3s over a lap on a conventional circuit , but the Ring isn't a conventional circuit. There isn't really the kind of corners where the DTM-cars supreme aero can come into play and traffic makes it even more start-stoppy, so that horsepower becomes a lot more important than downforce.

Dead-Eye · 12 Mar 2012, 11:50 (Ref:3038765)

Plus back then anything that was in contention for overall wins was GT2 or similar (RSRs, the Viper, the ALMS BMW). They'd probably throw some small restrictions at DTM cars now to match the GT3s.

But I don't think we'll see any DTM cars in the 24h. All the manufacturers have GT3 cars they can run there.

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