Your dream racing game?

[devil_angel]

Originally Posted by nickyf1

Simbin's Race Pro, if I may correct you

It had F3000 and FBMW, with Formula Master as part of the WTCC 2008 DLC pack.

Okay, Simbin were the devs and Atari were the publishers.

[PorscheCurves]

My dream racing game would be sort of like a FIFA game but for motorsport. The championships it would feature (all with full cars and tracks):
ILMC
LMS
ALMS
WTCC
DTM
BTCC
Porsche Supercup
Super GT
V8 Supercars
FIA GT1
FIA GT3
Blancpain Endurance Series
VLN
NASCAR Sprint, Nationwide, Trucks
Plus special events like Goodwood Revival

Features:
Dynamic Day/Night
Dynamic Weather (snow, rain, sleat ect)
56 cars on track
24 hour races
Upto 5 drivers per car in career and online
Dynamic commentary by Radio Le Mans
Team Manager (eg. tell ai driver to pit)
Penalty system with flags and drive throughs
Track degredation
Ultra realistic physics and graphics



The career mode will start with grassroots racing like Formula Ford or Caterhams in your part of the world (Europe, Asia, Australia, North America, South America) and then work your way to the top of the motorsport ladder in your reagin or you can move to another part of the world. It will also have a calendar so you can race in multiple championships at once. You will get offers to race in the championships/special events by real world teams and sometimes they might give you a one off drive in an endurance race and if you perform well, they might give you a full time seat.

Once you get to a certain level, you are able to start up your own team in any series' and you can chose between low cost fictonal drivers or more expensive real world drivers or a mixture of both. They can race for you in endurance races or championships. You can race for your own team. You can also fire them at any time.

It would be only availible for PC.

[DAVID PATERSON]

Formula Ford is hardly grass roots racing. It takes a fair bit to get up to that level.

[devil_angel]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

Formula Ford is hardly grass roots racing. It takes a fair bit to get up to that level.

True that. I'd say that belongs to Karts. Then again, Karting in reality would be more fun than in a racing game :P

[PorscheCurves]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

Formula Ford is hardly grass roots racing. It takes a fair bit to get up to that level.

Sort of agree there. I know that karting is one of the main grass roots racing (do it myself) but I just think it's too hard to replicate it into a game mainly for cars because of no diff and suspension. That's why I said Formula Ford is grass roots racing. Anyway, in my game there would be multiple championships you could compete in (just like in real life) like caterhams and Swifts.

[nickyf1]

A dedicated world wide Formula Ford sim would be mega fun. It would never happen, but it would be MEGA fun!

Think of all the chassis, engine and tyre combinations available to you, and throw in a paint editor with a good 16+ player online for the consoles and tracks from the EU, the USA and Australia!

[marcel82]

Originally Posted by Roy4

If you could make your own racing game, what would would it feature, what cars would it have, what tracks would it have and what would it be called?

my dream racing game, is racing for real.

[PabloTeK]

Originally Posted by nickyf1

A dedicated world wide Formula Ford sim would be mega fun. It would never happen, but it would be MEGA fun!

Think of all the chassis, engine and tyre combinations available to you, and throw in a paint editor with a good 16+ player online for the consoles and tracks from the EU, the USA and Australia!

It would be mega fun, until about Redgate when it turns into crashfest '11

[Wild Dog]

My dream racing game would be a arcade/sim (manager) game in the likes of Football Manager, FIFA Manager or Pro Cycling Manager.

With a lot of racing series and you could either start as a team manager with your own team or as a driver and build/drive your way up through the hierachy and in the end become F1 champion or something

[F50GTPlus]

Purist pretty much hit the nail on the head except in my version I would have Formula Student, or FSAE or Formula Hybrid as the starting point before F3 and GP2 level of motorsports

[Roy4]

*BUMP*

[Peat]

I like the idea of career modes etc but haviong played iracing for abit, i found it incredibly frustrating building up the licences etc when i only had limited time to actually play the thing. In the end i got fed up of Solstice's and Jetta's and unsubscribed.

The freedom of something like rfactor is perfect for me. I can flit between sports cars, F1, CART, Historics etc as i see fit.

I like the idea of a driver/owner career mode. Building a team, paying for DAMAGE, testing, entry fees etc. But again, it would require alot of time investment, something i don't think i am prepared to give.

[leonidas]

I think it would be interesting to see developers produce a game that tried to bridge the gap between sim-racing and reality - a training sim if you like. In other words a game that really educated people about driving techniques, car control, mechanical sympathy, car setup, aerodynamics, safety, component durability, servicing etc - and which could be programmed to give worthwhile feedback on performance. You could even incorporate "blue book" material to help people learn the rules and regs of real racing/rallying.

Rather than going for something glamorous maybe base it on a real domestic championship that players might realistically aspire to compete in - say Legends Racing or BRC for rallying (with accurate full length rally stages)? Done well enough you could make it available to people applying to do MSA license tests. It would be a lot better than the dodgy DVD the MSA used (still do?) produce!

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by leonidas

I think it would be interesting to see developers produce a game that tried to bridge the gap between sim-racing and reality - a training sim if you like. In other words a game that really educated people about driving techniques, car control, mechanical sympathy, car setup.....

Like GPL then......

[chunder]

No amount of smilies can be put to make good that comment

I know you like the game, but Dear God move on

[NJH]

TBH I reckon the reality side of things is overstated in all these sim games, certain things are impressive though from each. The fidelity of the tracks in iRacing and the transmission effects in LFS for example. In LFS in particular if your'e braking late and down shifting without heel and toe the back end snakes around almost exactly the same as my real car does on track. Impressive that they got those transmission effects in there.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by chunder

No amount of smilies can be put to make good that comment

I know you like the game, but Dear God move on

Not until I convert at least one person from their state of ignorance! The description that was quoted is exactly the sim. But I promise now to be good and leave the others to play their games.....

[leonidas]

I actually think GPL may have put people off taking up real competition driving! Its so damn hard I wonder how many kids thought "If I'm terrible at this I'll never be any good at at real motorsport...."

Some sources suggest DK wanted to include a 'trainer' or Formula Junior option in GPL to soften the blow of but it was rushed out so this never happened... All we got were 'detuned' F1 cars that were still quite difficult....

Having said that I think GPL helped me a bit when I got behind the wheel of a mk II escort for the first time on a loose surface. Stupidly I remember thinking 'wow this is almost as accurate as GPL... no, hang on, this is REAL'

[myfrontpage]

rfactor for me is the game. Currently spending most of my time on it with the TCL mod. I'd love it if there was something like that but set in the mid-nineties (or TCL extended itself to there) as that's the period of touring cars I grew up with.

Quite like the 'Race' series and think they're under-rated a tad, but the modding community isn't as big (or good as a whole) as the rfactor one.

[leonidas]

Rfactor is in someways a 'dream' game in that it can be anything you want it to be. Trouble is it depends on the skill of the modder - some mods are great, some not so great.

The Grand Prix Classics 1979 mod was meant to be GPL 2. It is a brilliant mod (with a 170 page manual!) but it hasn't attracted quite the same following as GPL.

[adam46]

My game would have the following categories and cars:

GT Endurance (90'S GT, GT1, GT2, GT3, GT4 and Cup cars all in one.)

90's GT: Porsche 911 GT1 (95' & 98'), McLaren F1 GTR (Long & Short-Tail), Panoz Esparante GTR-1, Mercedes CLK-GTR, Mercedes CLR, Nissan R390 & Lotus Elise GT1.

GT1: Lister Storm, Dodge Viper GTS-R, Corvette C5-R, Ferrari 550, Saleen S7-R, Nissan GTR, Ferrari F40 LM (May go in GT 90'S but not sure how it compares to others), Lamborghini Murcielago (Both), Corvette C6-R, Aston Martin DBR9, Ferrari 575 GTC, Maserati MC12, Pagani Zonda GT1 & Konenigsegg CCGT.

GT2: Ferrari F360, F430 & F458, Porsche 993, 996 & 997 GT3 RSR/GT2, Marcos LM600, Mosler MT900-R, Morgan Aero 8-R, Gillet Vertigo Sterrif

[adam46]

There was alot more but I lost it due to time it took to edit. Please get it back somehow!!! took 3 hours :'(

[chunder]

I do seem to be blazing a trail here, but I don't really like GT mods!

Some of them are very good, enduracers being the main one, that mod could and should perhaps be charged for as it so vey well done.

But some of my fave mods on Rf1 are rallycross, but noone plays it anywhere. CORR which is superb, some of the short oval UK stock car mods are very intricate and realistic.

I really enjoy the Historix mod, GP79 was a hugely popular mod for a time and I spent many an hour in servers never seeming to tire of lapping Kyalami ever quicker

The F1-85 was superbly done physics wise, perhaps the most immersive of them all, but was sadly only half finished in terms of physics and sound, but Good Lord those cars were hard to drive, but again so very realistic when you compare them to modern sim F1 titles. But trying to lap somewhere like jerez on full bosst on qually tyres really got your blood pumping, superb mod that.

But for me the best was F1-91. I spent hundreds of hours lapping tracks in this mod, a little racing online but got fed up with the alien freaks and Williams/Ferrari no gearstick noobs.

F1-91 is superb. The cars are all different, the tyres work properly, the aero works well, subtle differences in setup work well (my main complaint against Enduracers) and the sounds are simply magnificent. the honda V12 I doubt could be better done by anyone, perhaps the best and most realistic sound I have heard in any game.

Other mods worthy a mention are F5000, the Historic GT 70's mod which was very good.

[adam46]

Here is my full game. it would have full paint editor and the top five fan favourite liveries that had been applied to the car at some point

My game would have the following categories and cars:

GT Endurance ( 90'S GT, GT1, GT2, GT3, GT4, GT500, GT300 and all Cup cars in one, though you can take classes away if you want, all classes will have an even number of competiors on default, but you may change that.)

Super GT/JGTC: GT500: Honda NSX, HSV-010, Nissan GTR R34, Nissan GTR R35, Lexus SC430, Toyota Supra & Nissan 350Z, Cars from GT1, GT90’S & DTM are also allowed in this class when it is used alone, with a maximum of 5 of these cars allowed per race.

GT300: Toyota MRS, Mazda RX7, Nissan 350Z, Subaru Impreza, Mooncraft Shiden, Vemac RD, ASL Garaiya, Cars from GT2/3 are allowed in this class when used alone, with a maximum of ten allowed in each race.


90's GT: Porsche 911 GT1 (95' & 98'), McLaren F1 GTR (Long & Short-Tail), Panoz Esparante GTR-1, Stealth B6, Mercedes CLK-GTR, Mercedes CLR, Nissan R390 & Lotus Elise GT1.

GT1: Lister Storm, Dodge Viper GTS-R, Corvette C5-R, Ferrari 550, Saleen S7-R, Nissan GTR, Ferrari F40 LM (May go in GT 90'S but not sure how it compares to others), Ford GT Matech, Praga R4S, Lamborghini Murcielago (Both), Corvette C6-R, Aston Martin DBR9, Ferrari 575 GTC, Maserati MC12, Pagani Zonda GT1 & Konenigsegg CCGT.

GT2: Ferrari F360, F430 & F458; Porsche 993, 996 & 997 GT3 RSR/GT2; Marcos LM600, Mosler MT900-R, Morgan Aero 8-R, Ultima GTR, Gillet Vertigo Sterrif, TVR Tuscan T400R, Lotus Evora GTE, Venturi T400 GTR (Not really comparable pace to other 90’s GT), Jaguar XK-RSR, Nissan 350Z, BMW M3 GTR, M3 GT2 & Corvette C6.R GT2.

GT3: Audi R8 LMS, Porsche 997 GT3-R, Morgan Aero 8 GT3, Ford GT, Mustang FR500C, Corvette Z06R, Aston Martin DBRS9, Vantage V12, Ferrari F430, F458, Jaguar XKR-S GT3, Lotus Exige GT3, Marcos Mantis, BMW Z4, Alpina B6, Lamborghini Gallardo (Both), Dodge Viper GT3, Ascari KZR-1, Nissan GTR, McLaren MP4-12C, Mercedes SLS, Ginetta G55.

GT4: Ginetta G50, Aston Martin Vantage, BMW M3, KTM X-Bow, Nissan 370Z, Lotus Evora, Lotus 2-Eleven & Peugout 207 THP.

Cup A: Porsche 996, 997 Supercup cars, Ferrari F360, F430, F458 Challenge cars, Renault Megane Trophy cars, Ginetta G50 & G55 2011 Spec & Lamborghini Super Trofeo.

Cup B: Porsche 993(964?) Supercup, Ferrari 348, 355 Challenge cars, Seat Leon Supercopa, Ginetta G40 (Power increase +60BHP.)

Maximum car Number for all Endurance racing is: 100 (55 at tracks under 2 miles, 25 under 1.5 miles, 200 At tracks over 8, 12 or more 300.) Maximum race length: 30HR.

Can race all categories separatley




Prototype Endurance: (LMP1, LMP2, DP & LMP3 Combined, Group C optional)

LMP1: Audi R8R/C, R8, R10, R15(+), R18, Peugout 908, Pescarolo 01, TWR Porsche LM98, Toyota TS030, GT-One, Dome S101, S102, Caddilac Northstar, Panoz LMP01, Lola B06/10, B08/60, B2K/10; Aston Martin AMR-One, B09/60, Oreca 01, Riley & Scott MKIII C, Creation CA07, Zytek GZ09S, 06S, 04S, O7S, Lister Storm LMP, Ferrari 333SP, Chrysler LMP, Courage LC70, BMW V12 LMR, Bentley Speed 8, Ascari A410 & Acura ARX 01e, ARX O2a.

LMP2: Porsche RS Spyder, Courage C65, LC75, Lola B05/40, B08/80, MG-Lola EX257, MG-Lola EX264, B11/40, B2K/40, WR LMP2003, Lucchini LMP2/04, Acura ARX01a-d, Radical SR9, Pillbeam MP93 & Oreca 03.

DP: All chassis from Last 5 years

LMP3: 2011 SPEED Euroseries cars, Radical SR8, SR3, Oreca LMPC/FLM, Jaguar JP1.

Group C: Jaguar XJR9-LM, XJR-14, XJR-17, Mercedes Sauber C9, C11, Spice SE88, SE90, Porsche 956/962, Mazda 787B, Nissan R88C, R92CP, Aston Martin AMR1, Toyota 88C, 89-CV, TS010, Peugout 905, Lola T92/10, Argo JM19C & Cougar C22LM.

The same rules apply in terms of length and cars as in GT Endurance.

Super Endurance: (GT and Prototype combined)
You can take away classes and cars as you wish before the race.

Touring Cars:

Classic Touring cars form PRE-70: Ford Lotus Cortina, Galaxie, Mustang, Anglia, Falcon Sprint, Porsche 911 T, Chevrolet Camaro, Mini Cooper S, Hillman Imp & Jaguar MK2.

V8 Supercars: 2011 Grid

NASCAR: Sprint Cup & Nationwide.

DTM: All cars from ’94 onwards, whith the option of running a mix or the cars of one season.

2L Touring Open:
Renault: Laguna
Vauxhall: Cavilier, Astra Coupe, Vectra ’99, Astra Hatch, Vectra ’08, NGTC Insignia.
Chevrolet: Lacetti, Cruze.
Honda: Accord ‘97, Civic ’11, Civic Type-R ’02, Accord ’07, Integra ’05.
Alfa Romeo: 156.
Volkswagen: Golf.
Nissan: Primera.
Ford: Mondeo ’98, Mondeo ’94, Focus ’11, Focus ’08.
Seat: Leon TFSI, Leon TDI, Toledo.
Peugout: 406, 307, 407.
Audi: A4 ’99, NGTC A4 ’11
Volvo: S40, S60, 850, C30.
Proton: Impian, Gen-2.
Lexus: IS200.

For all the touring cars, the car limit is 50 (30 on tracks under 1.5 Miles, 75 on tracks over 8, 100 on tracks over 12..) limit on time 24HR for everything except DTM, which is 3 hours.

Covered-Wheel Libre: All cars above eligible as well as rally cars, Maximum car and time limits are the same as in endurance.

Formula 2: Only one car, the Williams chassis that’s been used from 2009 onwards

GP2: All 3 generations avaliable either together or separatley.

BOSS GP: All cars entered in EuroBOSS/BOSS GP since 2000 plus:

Williams FW26(?) 2005 F1, Ferrari F2004, Red Bull RB4 2008, Mclaren MP4-23 2008 & McLaren MP4-17 additons to Open class.

Superleague Formula, Auto GP Lola, 2011 World Series by Renault, 2008 GP2 & Formula Superfund additons to Formula class.

Williams FW14-B, 1989 Ferrari, CART 1993, 1984 F2 & 1985 Lotus additons to Masters Class.

Formula Renault: 2.0, & 3.5.

F5000:

F1 1973:

F1 1985:

F1 2002:

F1 2011:

Formula Ford:

Formula 3: All F3 chassis after 2003.

Open Wheel Libre: All the open wheel championships combined

All of these Championships with car limit 36 (22 on tracks less than 1.5 miles, 56 on tracks over 8, 90 or tracks over 12.) maximum laps 120 or 3 hours, whichever comes first.

Rally:
Post 1990 class A: Darrian T90 GTR, Lancia Delta Intergrale HF, Citroen C4, Xsara & DS3 WRC, Peugout 307cc, 206 & 306 Maxi WRC, 207 S2000, Toyota Corrola & Celica WRC, Ford Fiesta S2000, Ford Focus (4 generations), Escort Cosworth & Fiesta WRC. Mini Countryman WRC, Subaru Impreza (All generations), Mitsubishi Evo (All Generations), Skoda Octavia & Fabia WRC, Fabia S2000, Suzuki SX4 WRC, Hyundai Accent WRC, Abarth Punto S2000 & Proton Satria Neo S2000.

Post 1990 class B: Suzuki Ignis, Swift S1600, Renault Clio S1600, Citroen Saxo, C2 S1600, Ford Puma S1600, Fiat Punto S1600 & Opel Corsa S1600.

Pre-87 Class A: Audi Sport Quattro S1, Quattro A2, Ferrari 308 GTB Michelotto, Ford RS200, Lancia 037, Delta S4, MG Metro 6R4 & Peugout 205 T16.

Pre-87 Class B: Lancia Stratos, Ford Escort MK2, Alpine A110, Lotus Talbot Sunbeam & Fiat 131 Abarth.

All rallies are held on sections of race tracks including the paddock and in and out roads, just like in the Brands Hatch Rally.

In addition there are Roads and Hillclimb stages to use as a rally stage.

Tracks: (All tracks feature all the current configurations, as well as some marked down to have the old ones as well. In additon there are some tracks that no longer exsist.)

Daytona, Brands Hatch, Silverstone, Croft, Monza (New, old & combined), Birmingham Superprix, Mid-Ohio, Kylami, Buenos Aires, Donington park, Road America, Brno (new and old), Pescara, Hockenheim (new and old), Phillip Island, Indianapolis, Calder Park, Snetterton, Aragon, Surfers Paradise, A1-Ring (old and new), Adelaide Street citcuit, Monaco, Marina Bay, Abu Dhabi, Oran Park, Watkins Glen, Bristol Speedway, Spa (new and old), Zolder, Imola, Interlagos (new and old), Jacarepagua, Mosport, Laguna Seca, Le Mans, Montreal, Curtibra, Zhuhai, Pau, Linas-Monthelry, Reims, Nogaro, Nurburgring (all), Norisring, Oschersleben, Magny-Cours, AVUS, Mondello Park, Buddh International, Infineon, Isle of Man TT course, Sachsenring, Muggelo, Fiorano, Kirkstown, Knockhill, Okayama, Suzuka, Mine, Ebisu, Fuji (new and old), Macau Guia, Old Mexican F1 Track, Assen (new and old), Zandvoort, Taupo, Pukekohe, Brooklands, Anderstorp, Estoril, Losail, Portimao, Catulunya, Jarama, Mountjuic, Smolensk Ring, Eurospeedway Lausitz (Including massivly long test track), Castle Combe, Rockingham, Bathurst, Mallory Park, Long Beach, Homestead-Miami, Goodwood, Pocono, Talledega, Martinsville, Twin Ring Motegi, Texas World Speedway, Lime Rock, Road Atlanta, Lucas Oil Raceway @ Indianapolis, Sebring, Lydden Hill, Isle of Wight Loop (Fictonal circuit with real roads.) in additon there is Ten Tenths raceway, with every member of the forum designing one corner, total length roughly 1000 miles?


Rally Stages: English Style B-Road, MIRA, Stelvio Pass, Col du Turini, Top Gear Test Track (multiple stages) (can do the course in any car on Time Trial only.), The Albanian Road Off Top Gear & the Military Road Isle of Wight (real road, not used for rally in reality). In additon there are several stages based at race tracks using the track, pitlane, paddock, in and out roads and more.

Hillclimb Courses (also to be used for rallying): Oliver’s Mount, Wiscombe Park, Harewood, Gurston Down, Grove Road, Ventnor, Isle Of Wight & Longleat.
All cars are eligible for hillclimb.

Hey you said dream!

The name would be; GTR3! Now I am dreaming!

If the title were up to me it would be World of Motorsport: Life at 200MPH.

[chunder]

Jesus Chrust


In the time it took you to write all that, you pretty much could have coded the damn thing!