2019 VASC Silly Season (WITH POLL)

[thunderbolt]

http://www.teampenske.com/news/index..._Season_Review
so for a team that run 5 Ford Mustang cars it sounds like there may not be any new ford on the grid in 2019
Over the course of the season, crew chief Greg Erwin and the No. 22 Ford Mustang team prepared race-winning cars for five different drivers. While that might sound simple, matching driving styles and setup preferences successfully with multiple drivers was no easy process.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by thunderbolt

http://www.teampenske.com/news/index..._Season_Review
so for a team that run 5 Ford Mustang cars it sounds like there may not be any new ford on the grid in 2019
Over the course of the season, crew chief Greg Erwin and the No. 22 Ford Mustang team prepared race-winning cars for five different drivers. While that might sound simple, matching driving styles and setup preferences successfully with multiple drivers was no easy process.

The thing that doesn’t really work in Mr Penske’s discussion is swapping brands needs a commitment NOW not in 6 months.

He is quoted elsewhere in saying Mustang needed sign off NOW or it cant happen

Same applies for another brand, surely.

Unless Penske is talking to Holden....

[peckstar]

why are speedcafe running a special announcment about the new 2018 mustang tomorrow at 6am?

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

If i was to google kia and supercars, the wording seems to be they are interested and have had discusions with teams.

However i read an article (its mosty likely linked in the next gen thread) to suggest they would be intetrested, but not in stumping up big dolllars to support/sponsor

I googled "Kia and Supercars" and this is the first article that comes up

https://www.speedcafe.com/2017/03/15...rcars-program/

Originally Posted by peckstar

why are speedcafe running a special announcment about the new 2018 mustang tomorrow at 6am?

That is the announcement of the new MARC body shape to be raced in the Bathurst 12hrs

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

I googled "Kia and Supercars" and this is the first article that comes up

https://www.speedcafe.com/2017/03/15...rcars-program/



That is the announcement of the new MARC body shape to be raced in the Bathurst 12hrs

I dont know how many pages you went in, but i get these as my top 3 (all dated after that article)

https://www.motoring.com.au/no-facto...percar-107663/

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...cars-mix-54245

https://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/...0170504-gvyhc9

All suggest an interest. the top one being the article i referred to earlier.

a Marc Mustang for Bathurst? Neat, but big change from hot hatch to sporty coupe

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by peckstar

a Marc Mustang for Bathurst? Neat, but big change from hot hatch to sporty coupe

Why is it a big change?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

Why is it a big change?

you dont know the difference between a mustang and a focus?

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by peckstar

you dont know the difference between a mustang and a focus?

You dont know the difference underneath the panels of a MARC Mustang and a MARC Focus?

[My Name Is Dwight]

Axeman by knockout

[Umai Naa]

Not so fast...

Bathurst is said to be the debut of the MARC Ver.2.0. We don't yet know what this entails...

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

Why is it a big change?

So if i reading this right, new bigger motor 20% more BHP, and new chassis, Cost up 25-40%, speed up

Nope just a small change, my mistake

Bathurst V8 ‘Mustang

[mayhem]

How long until Supercars comes out and says they Oscar Fioronotto is building their own MARC Mustang...?

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by peckstar

So if i reading this right, new bigger motor 20% more BHP, and new chassis, Cost up 25-40%, speed up

Nope just a small change, my mistake

Bathurst V8 ‘Mustang

LOL, I didn't understand your implication when you mentioned changing a "hot hatch to a sporty coupe" you also meant changes to a standardised platform underneath.

And you knew all this prior to Speedcafe's story I assume? Apologies, my mistake [/sarcasm]

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by mayhem

How long until Supercars comes out and says they Oscar Fioronotto is building their own MARC Mustang...?

Mind you MARC cars are already out there and running, and the organisation running them is credible...

[GTRMagic]

Whincup Signed To End of 2019

[peckstar]

you have to wonder about 2020 and what happens with supercars

Lots of events signed up, one more year of media package, but no cars currently signed up for 2020 (might be able to drag out commodore, but falcon and nissan unlikely)

Will be interesting to see what happens

[ford71]

I recall PRA commenting that using the FG-X in season 2020 is still a viable option, as far as the previous model was used for that many seasons

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by ford71

I recall PRA commenting that using the FG-X in season 2020 is still a viable option, as far as the previous model was used for that many seasons

think that might have been 2019 (but open to correction) I havent seen anything letting it go that far, but its just a rule change

But car will be 4 years out of date by then

Even if it did, thats just postponing the inevitable, something has to happen

[ford71]

Originally Posted by peckstar

think that might have been 2019 (but open to correction) I havent seen anything letting it go that far, but its just a rule change

But car will be 4 years out of date by then

Even if it did, thats just postponing the inevitable, something has to happen

Not from PRA but I found this.
More confirming what is allowed rather than a teams plan though

https://www.motormag.com.au/features...-in-motorsport

In fact, Falcons could continue in Supercars until well after final stocks are cleared from dealers next year, as the FG X remains eligible until Gen2’s scheduled expiration at the end of 2020.

and

The FG and the BA/BF both raced for six years. The FG-X has only done three.

from https://www.carthrottle.com/post/zdyl2r8/

I do agree though its all about treading water until something else comes along.

[mayhem]

Treading water is a good comparison, I feel like Supercars are waiting for teams to announce new models or even marques, while the teams are waiting for Supercars to announce changes to make the series more attractive to manufacturers. And we all sit around treading water, as 2019 rapidly approaches...

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Treading water is a good comparison, I feel like Supercars are waiting for teams to announce new models or even marques, while the teams are waiting for Supercars to announce changes to make the series more attractive to manufacturers. And we all sit around treading water, as 2019 rapidly approaches...

I am doubtfull that there is anything thy can do to make it attractive to manufacturers

Manufacturers are moving away from this style car, They are all investing heavily in Electric, Australian manufacturing of cars has gone. Australian are buying other types of cars. SUV's, 4wd "utes" etc

The fans still seem to want this type of racing, but the maufacturers dont as it does not represent what they are selling. Maybe similar to MARC is the answer. V8 corollas, i30s,3s ceratos etcs

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

The fans still seem to want this type of racing, but the maufacturers dont as it does not represent what they are selling. Maybe similar to MARC is the answer. V8 corollas, i30s,3s ceratos etcs

My problem is that with the Mustang creeping up to $350k, I do not know if this kind of cost is sustainable in this new world of no manufacturer support.

I do like the MARC philosophy but the cost is really right up there.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Mixer

My problem is that with the Mustang creeping up to $350k, I do not know if this kind of cost is sustainable in this new world of no manufacturer support.

I do like the MARC philosophy but the cost is really right up there.

The numbers being quoted (for the mustang, not the focus/Mazda3) suggested they were about half 250K cheaper than a supercar and about half a GT3 (or more) while not being too far of their pace

Similar to a gT4 and a bit more than a TCR, however a fair bit quicker than both of those


It puts it or similar in a good position, especially as supercars already have a chassis. (and the current motors)

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

The fans still seem to want this type of racing, but the maufacturers dont as it does not represent what they are selling. Maybe similar to MARC is the answer. V8 corollas, i30s,3s ceratos etcs

Then you run into licencing problems with the cars if the manufacturers aren't interested but you want V8 Corolla's or i30s on a generic control platform

As you can see with the MARC II V8, it will have a Mustang style body, but won't be called a Ford Mustang

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by one five five

As you can see with the MARC II V8, it will have a Mustang style body, but won't be called a Ford Mustang

Murky ground, manufacturer could easily put a stop to it if they wanted to.