[BTCC] BTCC 2022 season discussion, News and Rumours!

[medius]

Norman Burgess has left Ciceley.

Team HARD have a driver announcement tomorrow.

[pimmy]

Originally Posted by Spanner monkey

Rumours of Ash Sutton in a "British" RWD Car next year with a fast driver from the support series as his team mate ?

Dream team of Sutton & Cammish?

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by medius

Team HARD have a driver announcement tomorrow.

For 2022???

[sceptic]

Originally Posted by peebee2

For 2022???

Yes.
And remember they already have Goff signed up for next year.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

The Bmr Jaguar rumours resurfacing?

How does a steel rollcage fit into an aluminium shell and retain the same stiffness as steel/steel ? Reckon that makes a Jag a non starter

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

How does a steel rollcage fit into an aluminium shell and retain the same stiffness as steel/steel ?

Bonded with reinforcement plates.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by sceptic

Yes.
And remember they already have Goff signed up for next year.

Multi year deal for ATS.

I don't get the appeal... the team's a disaster.

[Pdh]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Multi year deal for ATS.

I don't get the appeal... the team's a disaster.

I don’t get the appeal either it’s not like they’ve built the Cupras and have moved much up the grid

[yellowbeard]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Multi year deal for ATS.

I don't get the appeal... the team's a disaster.

He's probably getting a really good deal as a development driver for them

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Bonded with reinforcement plates.

The current generation cars are all a quantum step forward in overall stiffness. Never possible with bonding and riveting , plus it would have to be bolted aswell to be legal It would be great to see a Jag out there but didn't another team look at it before and binned it just because of the stiffness / weight issue ?

[mprmke]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

The current generation cars are all a quantum step forward in overall stiffness. Never possible with bonding and riveting , plus it would have to be bolted aswell to be legal It would be great to see a Jag out there but didn't another team look at it before and binned it just because of the stiffness / weight issue ?

Yes, it was Excelr8's plan to use it before the Hyundai.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Never possible with bonding and riveting , plus it would have to be bolted as well to be legal

I don't recall where it is defined that bolting is required?

FIA Art.253.8 states that only bonding is permitted 'For non steel bodyshells/chassis, any weld between the cage and the bodyshell/chassis is prohibited, only the bonding of the reinforcement plate on the bodyshell/chassis is permitted.'

Which regulation mandates a bolted ROPS?

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I don't recall where it is defined that bolting is required?

FIA Art.253.8 states that only bonding is permitted 'For non steel bodyshells/chassis, any weld between the cage and the bodyshell/chassis is prohibited, only the bonding of the reinforcement plate on the bodyshell/chassis is permitted.'

Which regulation mandates a bolted ROPS?

I don't know where or if bolting is mandated, but as far as I am aware, bolting is permitted as a form of belt and braces, no pun intended, as well as welding or bonding. Also permitted is the fitting of reinforcing plates beneath the body and/or the other side of the cockpit.

[Spanner monkey]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

How does a steel rollcage fit into an aluminium shell and retain the same stiffness as steel/steel ? Reckon that makes a Jag a non starter

Just the same way they are done in most GT cars these days.

[mprmke]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Multi year deal for ATS.

I don't get the appeal... the team's a disaster.

Yes, they're only there to make up the numbers, but if it's the difference between getting a seat in the BTCC and not getting a seat, there is the appeal. Plus Team HARD are slightly more successful in other series, so they can use working with their other drivers as a tool for generating a sweeter deal for certain drivers I would guess.

The Jack Goff thing was the clearest indicator of this. He'd lost his better seat elsewhere and was widely publicised claiming that he was resigned to not having a seat, then he got in at Team HARD last minute.

[S griffin]

Team HARD may just make up the numbers, but they've done well to still be in the series. And Goff has repaid Team HARD giving him a lifeline. Remember his win at Silverstone two years ago? Anyway it's also good ATS is back in the series, let's hope he can find some results

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Pdh

I don’t get the appeal either it’s not like they’ve built the Cupras and have moved much up the grid

You find a sponsor to pay £350k.

You pay the team £250k and bag yourself a £100k salary for a part-time weekend job.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Spanner monkey

Just the same way they are done in most GT cars these days.

Which in the main either Alloy or composite to get the same stiffness as a steel shell will be a fair old challenge

[Matt K]

Actually, up to some point this season, Goff was doing really well in the Cupra, consistently in points and around Top 10. Don't really know what happened that he's now back to typical Team HARD 15th-20th (or lower).

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Matt K

Actually, up to some point this season, Goff was doing really well in the Cupra, consistently in points and around Top 10. Don't really know what happened that he's now back to typical Team HARD 15th-20th (or lower).

Around the same time that Boardley and Moffat started to see an upturn in their results.

Any correlation between the differing results in the 7-car wider HARD. camp?

[thetool]

Announcing a multi-year deal usually means you'll be in the sidelines shortly in the BTCC.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Which in the main either Alloy or composite to get the same stiffness as a steel shell will be a fair old challenge

I guess there is always the option of checking the specifications of the i-Pace e-trophy cars that had an aluminium shell and FIA-approved ROPS?

[Racing Harz]

The onboard safety light is coming.
https://www.touringcartimes.com/2021...lights-system/

[medius]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Any correlation between the differing results in the 7-car wider HARD. camp?

Yes, one car is entirely operated by BMR, two by Bob Moffat and the test by an ex-MMA fighter with delusions of grandeur.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by medius

Yes, one car is entirely operated by BMR, two by Bob Moffat and the test by an ex-MMA fighter with delusions of grandeur.

I meant - now that Laser Tools and HARD. have combined efforts, has there been a re-alignment of resources mid-season to bolster the Infiniti effort, in lieu of the Cupras?

Sutton (Dec 20): 'It's great to have the addition of Carl Boardley and Team Hard with us for the upcoming season. '

Moffat Sr (Dec 20): 'Having worked commercially with both BMR and Tony Gilham at Team Hard for a number of years, and with our team's amazing success in 2020, I feel that now is the time to elevate Laser Tools Racing to another level. Both teams will utilise some of each other’s resources to assist each other on and off track.'