Official Round 7: Turkish Grand Prix - Page 3

ptclaus98 · 29 May 2010, 14:29 (Ref:2700390)

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Originally Posted by jab

Fernando's not having a good year, is he?

Hmmm, maybe Ferrari isn't all it's cracked up to be post-Evil Empire.

ptclaus98 · 29 May 2010, 14:32 (Ref:2700391)

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Originally Posted by jab

Vettel's feeling the heat. Messed up both his Q3 laps. Gratefully received

He broke his rear ARB. What did Webber do this offseason? Learn voo-doo?

jab · 29 May 2010, 14:32 (Ref:2700392)

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Originally Posted by ptclaus98

Hmmm, maybe Ferrari isn't all it's cracked up to be post-Evil Empire.

That doesn't really excuse cocking up 2 race weekends in a row on Saturdays

Honestly, he drives perfectly in poor cars but gets a race-winning car and suddenly starts making errors. It's as if Fisi is deputising for him or something

**Born Racer** · 29 May 2010, 14:57 (Ref:2700405)

Alonso's certainly getting criticism now. I've just had a read of www.gazzetta.it, and even the normally partisan readers of www.marca.com are getting impatient. His errors should be kept in perspective though. He arrived with high expectations. Some people thought he was a shoe-in for the title. The Ferraris don't look great right now though.

Super Hans · 29 May 2010, 15:17 (Ref:2700418)

Another outstanding day for Webber. I've always said he was one of the best of the rest. Not top drawer, but capable of doing a good job.

Now he's looking top drawer.

**Born Racer** · 29 May 2010, 15:46 (Ref:2700430)

Over 4 tenths behind Vettel in Q1, under a tenth in Q2 and way ahead in Q3, Mark is certainly showing Seb the way.

Top job by Kobayashi too. Odd how he never anything like this promising in GP2, but he's got it in F1.

Marbot · 29 May 2010, 15:57 (Ref:2700431)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Alonso's certainly getting criticism now.

You can only stay non-stick for so long.

Massa probably got the best out of the car, which was only to be expected at one of his favourite circuits. Alonso was maybe trying a little too hard to beat him.

It should be interesting to see how Alonso fairs, trying to pass cars that are not 5 seconds off the pace on a dry track. Another fortunate safety car maybe?

Did anyone else notice that the McLaren's (Hamilton's in particular) looked like they had about as much give in their suspension as the average Tesco shopping trolley?

JeremySmith · 29 May 2010, 16:08 (Ref:2700439)

I think Lewis likes a kart type feel to his car like Michael..

Marbot · 29 May 2010, 16:34 (Ref:2700446)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I think Lewis likes a kart type feel to his car like Michael..

Yes, that's true. But it just seemed to be the McLaren's that looked a bit more 'nervous' than any other car, barring the Hispania's.

JeremySmith · 29 May 2010, 16:39 (Ref:2700449)

Scott it was a Lewis "stormer type" lap mate.. You have to love his spirit !

Marbot · 29 May 2010, 17:28 (Ref:2700468)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

Scott it was a Lewis "stormer type" lap mate.. You have to love his spirit !

Indeed it was and indeed I do.

JB not far behind though and possibly had his best effort ruined by TGF (not the first time a 'Brit' has had is whole day ruined by a German in a fast machine).

JeremySmith · 29 May 2010, 17:29 (Ref:2700469)

Don't mention the war lol...

**Born Racer** · 29 May 2010, 22:32 (Ref:2700625)

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We were also just 2.4 seconds off Ferrari, celebrating their 800th race in Turkey, which is pretty spectacular for a team who are only seven races old - I think that shows to all those who expressed doubts about our participation that they were wrong.

I rather like this comment from Tony Fernandes which is obviously aimed at Ferrari.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...0/5/10846.html

AussieTimmeh · 29 May 2010, 23:19 (Ref:2700637)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Yes, that's true. But it just seemed to be the McLaren's that looked a bit more 'nervous' than any other car, barring the Hispania's.

It did seem that way to me also.

After watching a few laps in the HRT, wriggling its way around the track and trying to hurl itself into the nearest barrier, I was surprised to see a car could actually lap slower than that (Di Grassi behind Senna).

**Born Racer** · 29 May 2010, 23:41 (Ref:2700640)

Di Grassi had an engine problem.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...0/5/10846.html

Chatters · 30 May 2010, 01:45 (Ref:2700657)

Call me cynical, but I don't see things going Webbers way tonight. He's never had this much good luck before so it's bound to end soon. :P

Neil22 · 30 May 2010, 01:47 (Ref:2700658)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Alonso's certainly getting criticism now. I've just had a read of www.gazzetta.it, and even the normally partisan readers of www.marca.com are getting impatient. His errors should be kept in perspective though. He arrived with high expectations. Some people thought he was a shoe-in for the title. The Ferraris don't look great right now though.

Ferraris ALWAYS look great, but sometimes they don't run as good as they look.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 30 May 2010, 03:44 (Ref:2700671)

Let's hope it's not a Turkey of a GP.

AussieTimmeh · 30 May 2010, 04:22 (Ref:2700672)

With no fowl play?

**bjohnsonsmith** · 30 May 2010, 04:41 (Ref:2700678)

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Originally Posted by AussieTimmeh

With no fowl play?

Goble, goble.

herowassenna · 30 May 2010, 09:43 (Ref:2700753)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

You can only stay non-stick for so long.

Massa probably got the best out of the car, which was only to be expected at one of his favourite circuits. Alonso was maybe trying a little too hard to beat him.

It should be interesting to see how Alonso fairs, trying to pass cars that are not 5 seconds off the pace on a dry track. Another fortunate safety car maybe?

Did anyone else notice that the McLaren's (Hamilton's in particular) looked like they had about as much give in their suspension as the average Tesco shopping trolley?

The only way I can see Alonso making much headway in the race is by starting on hard tyres. After all, having qualified outside the top 10, he'll have the benefit of choosing his tyres.
Regards Webber and Hamilton. If these two get away in order, will Hamilton's past issues of front tyre wear in Turkey, cause a different tyre usage strategy. Webber may well be using this as part of his race plan.

I'm confident he'll finish ahead of Massa.

Without wishing to sound biased, due to the Alonso/ Ferrari situation, he has never been the greatest qualifier. But something isn't right at the moment. It's almost as though he's trying to carry the car beyond it's natural limit. Trying to get Ferrari working to his personal march and making mistakes into the situation.

What does interest me currently, is no journalist or media story has trotted out the usual line that was being used back in 2007 about drivers needing a few races to get tuned into their cars.
I remember Alonso, Raikkonen etc being given the benefit of the doubt changing teams, tyres etc.
whereas now, these guys are meant o be on the pace immediately.
Even Button, it was said would take a few races to find his feet, and he put in two masterly drives to win. But now we're starting to really see where his pace is relative to Hammy.
You know, if Ferrari had any sense, they'd step in before Williams and hire Mr Symonds as a tech director etc. Alonso knows him well and he does a great job.

Grandpa_Rob · 30 May 2010, 09:48 (Ref:2700756)

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Originally Posted by Chatters

Call me cynical, but I don't see things going Webbers way tonight. He's never had this much good luck before so it's bound to end soon. :P

Mark is proberbly at a point now where he can make his own luck.

Sodemo · 30 May 2010, 11:30 (Ref:2700798)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Let's hope it's not a Turkey of a GP.

The first two were classics, 2005 and 2006 were superb races, but since then its been quite a dour set of races at Istanbul. Last years race wasn't bad with Rubens fighting through however.

strider · 30 May 2010, 11:31 (Ref:2700799)

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Originally Posted by herowassenna

Without wishing to sound biased, due to the Alonso/ Ferrari situation, he has never been the greatest qualifier. But something isn't right at the moment. It's almost as though he's trying to carry the car beyond it's natural limit. Trying to get Ferrari working to his personal march and making mistakes into the situation.

I know I'm going to regret saying this, but he's almost making Kimi look good.

On a serious note, I wouldn't be surprised if Vettel were to get the jump on Hamilton at the start, which will make life complicated for him.

ptclaus98 · 30 May 2010, 11:41 (Ref:2700803)

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Originally Posted by strider

I know I'm going to regret saying this, but he's almost making Kimi look good.

On a serious note, I wouldn't be surprised if Vettel were to get the jump on Hamilton at the start, which will make life complicated for him.

He may not be making him look good, but he's justifying Kimi's performances in 2008.

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