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bickers · 13 Feb 2008, 23:27 (Ref:2128332)

ss,which ones in particular don't you like?

gwyllion · 12 Jun 2008, 13:16 (Ref:2226896)

ACO will organize a LMP3 like series.

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A new series will also emerge next year in partnership with Oreca: The Formula Le Mans. This will be a 7-weekend, 14-race series with open prototypes which will be support race for the LMS on their 5 races and have 2 extra race weekends.

The new cars will be a sort of “LMP3” carbon fiber open prototypes intended for junior and gentleman drivers alike.

source: http://www.planetlemans.com/2008/06/...ss-conference/

Speed-King · 12 Jun 2008, 13:17 (Ref:2226901)

So will it be a Oreca-Spec-Series?

protopuma · 12 Jun 2008, 13:24 (Ref:2226906)

Not sure but it does sound like that. I would rather see them support VdeV races instead of creating a new spec series.

gwyllion · 12 Jun 2008, 14:07 (Ref:2226947)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

So will it be a Oreca-Spec-Series?

It seems so. Derived from (open) LMP2 (look LC75) and V8 of 420 hp. http://www.endurance-info.com/article.php?sid=5799

minimangler · 12 Jun 2008, 14:55 (Ref:2226987)

VdeV cars would make such a better support :/

Where does this leave the Radical series?

**FIRE** · 12 Jun 2008, 16:26 (Ref:2227071)

This year in France started a single make closed prototype series. Who is building these cars?

ger80 · 12 Jun 2008, 19:15 (Ref:2227225)

The series
http://www.bioracingseries.fr/
The car builder?
http://www.fam-auto.com/cadre_acceuil/accueil.htm

ss_collins · 12 Jun 2008, 19:20 (Ref:2227226)

Yes spec cars from ORECA - interview with the designer being transcribed at the moment.

**FIRE** · 12 Jun 2008, 19:31 (Ref:2227240)

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Originally Posted by ger80

The series
http://www.bioracingseries.fr/
The car builder?
http://www.fam-auto.com/cadre_acceuil/accueil.htm

Yep.
I like the look of these cars. Don't know about costs compared to VdV cars.

ger80 · 12 Jun 2008, 19:57 (Ref:2227270)

I would like a VdeV+ with multiple chassis much more.

JAG · 12 Jun 2008, 20:02 (Ref:2227278)

On DSC they said they'd basically be LMP2 cars but with spec engines and low running costs.

Speed-King · 6 Dec 2010, 12:11 (Ref:2800303)

Sorry for digging up this old thread, but it looks like CN-prototypes just got a lot closer to being true LMPs as VdeV will allow carbonfibre chassis from next year on. Norma have already sold 12 of those new cars and with Wolf there's at least one other manufacturer that's going to supply carbonfibre chassis next year.

Source: http://endurance-info.com/version2/a...ance-5780.html

CTD · 11 Jul 2012, 17:39 (Ref:3105239)

Revive:
http://www.oreca-manufacturer.com/en...otype-in-2013/

Ken_T · 12 Jul 2012, 20:50 (Ref:3105747)

It just makes too much sense for these CN cars to the basis and/or a class within the IMSA lites series. A cost controlled, proven engine package and multiple chassis for battles and interest. Open cockpit and closed cockpits made by manufacturers that in some cases have LMP2s or LMPCs in the mix which would build relationships for upward mobility into ALMS.

What a great fit for Honda too to support as part of a ladder.

Nevermind, it obviously to good of an idea to work. Never happen.

Ken

Tim Northcutt · 12 Jul 2012, 20:59 (Ref:3105751)

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Originally Posted by Ken_T

It just makes too much sense for these CN cars to the basis and/or a class within the IMSA lites series. A cost controlled, proven engine package and multiple chassis for battles and interest. Open cockpit and closed cockpits made by manufacturers that in some cases have LMP2s or LMPCs in the mix which would build relationships for upward mobility into ALMS.

What a great fit for Honda too to support as part of a ladder.

Nevermind, it obviously to good of an idea to work. Never happen.

Ken

It won't happen, because "the Don" won't be selling the cars, like he did with the Elan chassis when IMSA Lites started.

It is main reason why he started the new series...to make $$$

IMSA and ALMS only care about lining their pockets.

The Badger · 12 Jul 2012, 21:04 (Ref:3105753)

LMP3/Lites plus GT3 would make a great national championship .

gustavobamba · 12 Jul 2012, 21:09 (Ref:3105759)

The Oreca car looks like the "PRAGA R1"

Speed-King · 12 Jul 2012, 22:02 (Ref:3105800)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

LMP3/Lites plus GT3 would make a great national championship .

Problem is that the GT3s are as fast or faster than the CN-prototypes. That would get pretty messy and I am not sure if I would want to be in one of those little tin cans when it gets run over by an SLS, Aston or a similar boat.

VdeV used to be like that, though, before they split fields. GTs were slower, though - mostly older Cup-Porsches.

Pandamasque · 13 Jul 2012, 04:27 (Ref:3105876)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

VdeV used to be like that, though, before they split fields. GTs were slower, though - mostly older Cup-Porsches.

Didn't they have some old GTS-Rs and C5-Rs there?

Speed-King · 13 Jul 2012, 06:11 (Ref:3105892)

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Originally Posted by Pandamasque

Didn't they have some old GTS-Rs and C5-Rs there?

Naw, that was Belcar and FFSA-GT. Both non-prototype affairs.

pablocomics · 13 Jul 2012, 22:13 (Ref:3106180)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Problem is that the GT3s are as fast or faster than the CN-prototypes. That would get pretty messy and I am not sure if I would want to be in one of those little tin cans when it gets run over by an SLS, Aston or a similar boat.

VdeV used to be like that, though, before they split fields. GTs were slower, though - mostly older Cup-Porsches.

¿The GT3 faster than CN? Not in this galaxy.

Barcelona circuit
2012 VdeV Pole position Extreme Limite ROUSSEL Léo (FRA) DANNIELOU Marc-Antoine (FRA) POIRIER Jean-Claude (FRA) 1:44.441

2011 Montermini / Moncini Ferrari 458 Italia GT Scuderia Villorba Corse (GT2 with biggest restrictors) 1:48.371
RAmos / Kox Lamborghini Gallardo LP600 GT3 GoodSense Racing Team (1st gt3) 1:48.709

And remember, the cars of GTOpen are faster than the Fia/Ratel GT championships

A CN with amateur drivers is faster than a GT3 with pro drivers and that´s the less powerfull kind of CN. With 6 cil engines like the german championship the CN could be much faster, maybe as faster as the best LMPC

Speed-King · 13 Jul 2012, 22:26 (Ref:3106184)

Hmm, might have something to do with track conditions, or that Barcelona is a track that really favors the CNs...

Here's another set of times, all from Hockenheim three weeks ago:

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Plenz, Fabian. PRC-Honda (1st in the 2 Liter Division): 1:41.479

Lauda, Mathias Callaway Corvette GT3: 1.40.943

Lauda's teammate (the decidedly non pro Sven Hannawald) did a 1.42.039 so that's very much in the same ballpark of what the CN-cars did.

The bigger protos with the larger engines were quicker, but they aren't really CNs anyway. As I said there's an LMPC in the big division from time to time, so that's to be expected.

And here are some more times, both from VdeV at Arragon, both from qualifying:

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Prorace Norma M20FC 1:56.956
Escuela Espanola des Pilotos Mosler MT900R: 1:57.883

These times are close enough together that there would at least be considerable overlap between the GT and CN fields. There is a reason why VdeV began to separate their grids.

NaBUru38 · 14 Jul 2012, 03:03 (Ref:3106223)

Come on, Montermini and Cox are pros, the CN drivers aren't.

Gingers4Justice · 14 Jul 2012, 16:15 (Ref:3106383)

The speed difference isn't enough though. I've seen a race with a small sportscar mixing it with a Mosler (close to V de V and GT3 machinery respectively) and they were very evenly matched overall, but very quick on completely different parts of the circuit, for obvious reasons.

Nice idea though, to have them together. I'd personally go for GT4 and CN prototypes. The globe has enough GT3 series already!

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