Special Saloon/Super Saloon Register

[Alan Raine]

Originally Posted by driftwood

car photos was my suggestion i know copywrite nonsense etc but we must just grab now any pics AS off the blue yonder 70`s site for "our " reference etc so maybe u "host" the thread on ORC site off line and let us yappers look see mail u direct these illegal fotos

I'm sure we can come up with a few photos of our own.

[driftwood]

im sure we can but what about these early 65 69 71 ish cars some of us where not around then!!
Ive seen some pics of the early cars are in AS or Mithering Nerds race reports
but i welcome all photos bring em on!!!
i think we are all familiar with many of the famous early mid 70`s cars like teh ex John ( not our) Turner skoda later to Arfer collier
what did happen to this car afterwards?

[Alan Brown]

I'll let others decide where the following comments can best end up. It follows extensive reading of Motoring News mainly while looking for hill climb details.

Adding to morninggents - it is true that the term “special saloons” was sometimes used in the reports from Croft and Rufforth in 1966, but not always and not elsewhere. The term formule libre was sometimes used in reports and discussions. By 1967 “special saloons” was being used with greater frequency.

I have concentrated on "big-engined cars" and the odd out-of-the-ordinary ones, so the 1600-2000 Anglias are ignored. They could do with a thread to themselves. The names are fascinating Fraud, Damfraud, Janglia, Tasmanglia, Wanglia etc.

1966 continued

Terry Drury Lotus Cortina V8 noted as 5.3 and later in the season as 6553. Raced by Terry Sanger at Boxing Day Mallory Park with a 4.7 engine.

Clare Newbold won the Ladies race at Brands Hatch in February in Doc Merfield’s Fraud Cortina V8. Brian Bolton seems to have acquired it before the end of the year.

Reg Gubbins Anglia-Buick. Presumably the same car as raced in 1965 with 1650 engine.

R Hurst noted as a non-starter at Lydden in April in the ex-Vita D team Mini-Buick. No other mention.

Steve Peer Corsair V8 4.7. Raced at least once by his brother Alan, who was a leading driver of Anglias (1.8 twin cam).

Mike Davies Anglia-Buick – one report in May 1966.

M Pelman Anglia-Buick – one report in May 1966.

John Emmins Anglia-Chevy 5.5.

John Hewitt (Luton Motor Company) Ford Tasman Anglia (Tasmanglia) – fitted with an ex-Racing Preparations 2.5 Climax FPF. Debuted at Silverstone in August. It was said in MN 8-9-66 that it “was once the ex-Doc Merfield Anglia (it has since had innumerable body shells and engines)”. Presumably, the car John Hewitt had previously raced with a 1600 engine. Raced victoriously by Peter Hawthorne (who normally raced a 1650 Anglia) at Boxing Day Mallory Park.

MN reported in February that an A40 was being prepared with a 2.0 Climax engine, to be entered by Graham Burrows’ Beta Cars Ltd. No further mention.


1967

Steve Peer Corsair V8.
John Hewitt Anglia Climax 2.5.
Terry Sanger Cortina V8 4.7 (ex-Terry Drury)
Brian Bolton Cortina V8 4.7 (ex-Doc Merfield).
Reg Gubbins Anglia-Buick now fuel-injected and quoted as 4.3.

Roger Bunting raced Gordon Allen’s Twin Mini previously raced by Rod Embley.

Mike Bennion Morris Minor Ford V8 4.7 – all independent suspension. It was entered at Brands Hatch in November 1966 but made its debut in 1967. According to Mike Kettlewell’s Motor Racing Directory it was built for £400 and powered by a 4.7 Chevy V8 (contemporary reports all say Ford) with Jaguar (independent?) suspension and gearbox. (“looking almost as wide as it is long” MN 15-6-67)

Richard Scantlebury Ford Anglia-Jaguar.

Brian Tarrant A40 Chevy 4638 – raced and hill climbed (“evil-looking” MN 6-4-67, “brutish” MN 3-8-67).

Dennis Clarke Viva HB Chevy 5.0 or 5.4 (“superbly-engineered” MN 13-4-67). Raced by Brian Cutting in July and August.

Gavin Watson Viva-Chevy – first mentioned n September.

Mentioned in a MN report of a race at Silverstone in April because they were involved in a first corner shunt were A W Turley Cortina-Zephyr 2553 and G H Parsons Cortina-Zodiac V6 3.0, which rolled.

Two other intriguing cars:
Mike Caulton BRT Mini-Cooper S “sported its engine at the rear” (MN 13-4-67). Apparently written off after a fire at B.R.T. Motor Developments premises in Littleborough in July, but rebuilt with the engine at the front. It was destroyed in its first race back at Oulton Park in October.
Maurice Winch Anglia 1.6 or 1.8 twin cam (Wanglia) – modified by putting a 6-inch wide strip down the centre (the whole car except the roof was widened) (MN 25-5-67)

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by Alan Raine

I'm sure we can come up with a few photos of our own.

Thanks Alan but we will need a who, what and when caption to all such photos.

[allenbrown]

Fantastic post Alan!!

[Angus Theape]

Originally Posted by driftwood

and what about me? oh i see 1 way ticket to Coventry!
ideally the list could do with fotos along side to help ID cars i would refer to the other site for many references

more info from reading 72 AS
Mick Hills Janglia seems to be raced mid jun july ish by Alan Tobias at Croft
Chris meek has a very wide escort with ford 5.7 litre motor- i am guessing ths later goes to Doug Niven
he later throws the car over the toilet block at Ingliston in 75 writes off the car keeps motor fits to the ex Toleman Hawker Capri
Daf 33 Hazelwood builds it races it then sells it to Minshaw but i think in between colin foley has a drive or share in car?
afterwards Tony H builds the Jag XJ8? in 75 runs it few times

Should the post not read "TH rebuilds his Daf33 after lending the car to his brother at Cadwell in April 73"?

The Chris Meek escort went to Doug Niven after Meek found it a bit difficult to drive. Niven also found it somewhat strange until he asked Gerry Birrell what he thought. Gerry put a tape on it and the wheelbase differed 1 1/2" between each side. DN never actually went over the toilet block, more just through it.

Surely the term special saloon applies to any club level saloon from the early 60s, where the car was never actually built to meet any spec except the engine capacity and wheel width rules. The wheel width restrictions being removed over the winter of 70/71 (?). Dave Brodie actually overstated his engine size to allow the use of 10" wide wheels.

[John Turner]

I think the last few posts should probably go on the 'actual' thread for these.
Agreed?

[allenbrown]

I've updated the cast list with Alan's great post above. Please keep it coming Alan.

http://www.oldracingcars.info/specia...list-1964-1993

I would see this page breaking up into different sections as it grows. Eventually one page per year with (thinking out loud again) a list of the competing cars and a short section (with photo) on each of the significant new cars of the year.

[Alan Raine]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Thanks Alan but we will need a who, what and when caption to all such photos.

Sorry.

John Turner, 5 litre Skoda S110RS. Silverstone 1975.



As Drifty states the car was later driven by Arthur Collier

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by John Turner

I think the last few posts should probably go on the 'actual' thread for these.
Agreed?

Can we just let it roll for a while John - see what else turns up.

[Steve Wilkinson]

27/03/70 - Oulton Park
Roy Highcock - 1650 Anglia
Tony Sugden - 1594 Escort
John Myerscough - 1799 Anglia
John Morris - 1865 Escort
Robert Ryan - 1975 Viva GT
Mike Chittenden - 1650 Morris Minor
J.R. Bloomfield - 1594 Escort
Mick Hill - 3800 Jaguar Anglia
J.M. Jones - 1393 Mini Cooper S
Mike Bundy - 1275 Mini
David Williams - 1293 Wolsley Hornet
Robin Farquhar - 1293 Mini Cooper S (*)
Hugh Denton - 1293 Mini Cooper S
Rob Mason - 1275 Mini Cooper S
Harry Holland - 850 Mini
Rhoddy Harvey-Baillie - 999 Mini
Barrie Swan - 997 Anglia
Roger Williamson - 997 Anglia (*)
Terry McNally - 997 Anglia
Roy Seddon - 999 Mini Cooper S
Stuart Baird - 999 Mini (*)
Stuart Turner - 1860 Escort
Ken Coffey - 1594 Escort

19/09/70 - Oulton Park
James Turner - 1860 Escort
John Fitzpatrick - 1601 Escort
Tony Algieri - 1598 Escort
Gerry Hind - 1293 Mini Cooper S
Tony Dealey - 1293 Mini Cooper S
Colin Thomas - 1293 Mini Cooper S
Mike Kearon - 1293 Mini Cooper S
Geoff Wood 1293 Vita-Mini
Jenny Williams - 998 Mini Cooper S
John Smith - 999 Mini Cooper S
John Chappell - 999 Mini Cooper S
Richard Wilyman - 999 Mini
Barrie Swan - 997 Escort
Brain Healey - 997 Mini Clubman
Simon Ridge - 997 Automex-Mini
Plus those above Marked (*)

14/03/71 Mallory Park
Race 1
Barrie Swan - 997 Escort
Jeff Ward - 998 Imp
Ray Calcutt - 848 Imp
Mike Evans - 1000 Mini
John Hipkiss - 997 Mini Clubman
Jenny Dell - 997 Mini Clubman
Tony Dickinson - 999 Mini Cooper S
Rob Mason - 999 Mini Cooper S
Richard Wilyman - 999 Mini
Roderick Macdonald - 998 Mini
Peter Rippon - 850 Mini
Race 2
Stuart Baird - 4700 Falcon
Jeff Ward - 4727 Mustang
Glen Campbell - 3000 Escort V6
Dave Brodie - 1996 Escort RS1600
Paul Shrubsall - 2001 Escort
Graham Birrell - 1970 Escort
Phil de Banks - 1670 Escort
Mike Chittenden - 1600 Anglia
Geoff Wood - 1293 BMC Mini Cooper S
Gerry Hinde - 1293 BMC Mini Cooper S
Bob Jones - 1293 BMC Mini Cooper S
Colin Hine - 1293 BMC Mini Cooper S
C. Avelling - 1293 BMC Mini Cooper S
Robert Fox - 1293 BMC Mini Cooper S
Robert Farquhar - 1293 BMC Mini Cooper S

[allenbrown]

All good stuff folks. I'm shoveling it all onto the page as fast as it arrives:

http://www.oldracingcars.info/specia...list-1964-1993

I haven't added all the cars on Steve's list - just the ones where the car appears to have had at least a complete engine transplant. We'll never agree the difference between modified, special and Special.

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

All good stuff folks. I'm shoveling it all onto the page as fast as it arrives:

http://www.oldracingcars.info/specia...list-1964-1993

I haven't added all the cars on Steve's list - just the ones where the car appears to have had at least a complete engine transplant. We'll never agree the difference between modified, special and Special.

The reason for posting the full list of starters was that there were some interesting guys in the 'tiddlers'.

Surely the Anglias with a Twin Cam installed qualify?

[John Turner]

Steve, I guess they all qualify, but I think that we should go for 'bitesized' chunks. I think this is a massive undertaking, especially if we include the 'tiddlers'. Twink engined Anglias would qualify, I'd have thought.

I'm still sure that I remember a V8 engined Sunbeam Rapier HS120 (the later fastback holbay car), but haven't come across it yet.

[John Turner]

Some more programme entries:-

Silverstone - 16/5/71 - Triplex Meeting

Race 6 - Triplex Saloon Car Race 'B':-

162 - Bill Cox - WRC - Ford WRC Capri - 6200cc - Gold
163 - Mick Hill - Ford Boss Capri - 5000cc - Yellow
166 - Tony Hazlewood - Ford Cortina V8 - 4700cc - Green/White
169 - Brian Cutting - Ford Escort V8 - 2998cc - (Black - same car later painted blue, or a different one?)

Silverstone - 14/8/71 - Uniflo Trophy Meeting

Race 4

1 - Bill Cox - WRC Capri - 6200cc
2 - Mick Hill - Boss capri - 5000cc
4 - Brian Cutting - Ford Escort - 2998cc
5 - Doc Merfield - Cortina Climax V8 - 2997cc
6 - Colin Hawker - Ford Escort - 2994cc
36 - Tony Hazlewood - Ford Cortina - 4700cc
37 - Dave Brodie - Ford Escort - 2150cc

Silverstone - 24/3/73 - JDC

Race 2

201 - John Roberts - Ford Mustang - 7000cc - Red/Gold
203 - Brian Cutting - Ford Escort - 2998cc - Blue
210 - Bill Cox - WRC Capri - 6200cc - WRC Capri - Purple
211 - Peter Bennett - Ford Anglia Twin Cam - 1600cc - Blue/Red/White

[Alan Brown]

1963

Rod Embley Morris Mini-Ford


1965

John Emmins Anglia-Chevy 4.3.
Peter Wardle Renault R8-Ford twin cam.
Rod Embley Twin Mini – 4wd 2950cc powerd by Gordon Allen’s Jaguar-headed aluminium engines fore and aft (two years previously one 1500 Ford engine).

[Alan Brown]

There are many drivers. How many shared cars? My research (in mainly Motoring News) starts in earnest from May 1964, hence minimal comments before then.

Restricted to 1475+ and a few special smaller ones.


1961

Chris Craft 1340

1962
Chris Craft [different car from 1961?] orange
A Peer
D P Merfield yellow

1963

Richard Allen 1650
Chris Craft orange
Terry Page ex-Chris Craft [Which car?]
G A Percival

1964

Norman Abbott (Team Anglia) 1594 twin cam red
B Blaylock (Perdal) 1650
W J (Bill) Camp (Kaysport) 1650
Chris Craft [presumably later to Fawsitt] 1600
Phil de Banks
Terry J Drury 1650
Howard Fawsitt ex-Chris Craft 1650 orange
(other spellings Fawcett Fawcitt)
D J Garrett
R B Gubbings
John Hewitt ex-Doc Merfield 1650
David R Jacob 1498
E J B Mitchell 1650
L F V (Les) Nash 1198 purple
B W E (Brian) Peacock 1650
Alan Peer 1650
George Percival (Perdal Development) 1650 or 1710
Boley Pittard (Willment) 1650
Charles Tudge 1475
Ted Williams ex-Mike-Young 1650
R Wilson 1650
Maurice W Winch 1200
Mike Young (Superspeed) 1650 [not the same car as Ted
Williams]

First in Molyslip Championship – Norman Abbott
Third – Boley Pittard

British Saloon Car Championship
Chris Craft 1200 Super (Superspeed)
Mike Young 1200 Super (Superspeed)


1965

Norman Abbott
W J (Bill) Camp (Kaysport) 1650
Phil de Banks 1650 (or 1594 twin cam) bright yellow
Graham + Gerry Birrell (Perdal) 1960
M A P Blake
Bob Blaylock (Perdal) 2000?
Nick Brittan Called “Green Bean” 1000
David Coleman 1498 Holbay/Martin
Jeff Churchill 1558 twin cam
Brian Cutting 1650
Terry J Drury (Brimsdown Service Station) 1600 twin cam or 1718 twin cam or 1896 twin cam
Howard Fawsitt ex-Norman Abbott 1648 twin cam
(other spellings Fawcett Forsitt Fawcitt)
P J Finney
Dave J Garrett (Team Anglia)
(may be the Brian Peacock car)
Reg Gubbings 1650
Malcolm Guthrie 1500 pushrod
P Hawthorne 1650 pushrod
John Hewitt (Luton Motor Group) ex-Doc Merfield 1600 twin cam
M J Howe
Chris Jackson 1594 twin cam
David King 1650
Dennis King (Team Anglia) twin cam
[Are the above two the same?]
Peter Kitchen 1498
Pat Mannion 1650
C Marshall
Les Nash
Brian Newton ex-Boley Pittard 1594 twin cam
Tom Padwick 1600 twin cam
Brian Peacock 1650 or 1630 twin cam
[may be the Dave Garrett car]
Alan Peer (East Anglian Racing Cars) 1780 twin cam and 1540 pushrod
George Percival (Perdal) 1710 pushrod
Boley Pittard (Willment) [probably only in January, then to Newton]
Roger Swanton 1300
Roger Taylor (East Anglian Racing Cars) 1598 twin cam
Robert Torrie 1650
Dave Willars (also raced by Derek Bennett) 1650
Ted Williams 1650
R Wilson
Maurice W Winch 1200 or 1298
Barry Wood 1710
Alf Wright (Team Perdal)
David Wynn-Williams 1700 green + orange
Mike Young (Superspeed) 1650 pushrod or 1800

First in Ilford Championship Alan Peer.

First in Spring Grove Saloon Car Championship Roger Swanton
Third and class winner (over 1300) Alan Peer
Fourth Terry Drury
Fifth and class winner (up to 1000) Nick Brittan

In its Club Racing Review 1965 MN (23-12-65) picked Alan Peer (10 wins) as its unofficial over 1300 champion from Mike Young who did not race often in club classes. Terry Drury was said to have 8 wins.

[GBRM]

When I have more time I'll add some programme entries if you let me knnow years/format you want.
As an aside how do you accout for events like BRSCC GT Special Saloon car race (Snetterton 1966) which was actually GT cars but called a special saloon car race?

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

Surely the Anglias with a Twin Cam installed qualify?

Originally Posted by John Turner

Twink engined Anglias would qualify, I'd have thought.

Point taken. I hadn't appreciate that 'normal' Anglias only went up to 1100cc.

I'm still shoveling. The combination of Steve and John's entry lists and Alan's background information from MN seems to be working very well.

[Alan Brown]

Anglias were homologated at 1000cc and 1200cc.

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by GBRM

When I have more time I'll add some programme entries if you let me knnow years/format you want.

John's format is good but we don't need the entry numbers as they change from race to race. So this works for me:

Bill Cox - WRC - Ford WRC Capri - 6200cc - Gold

Originally Posted by GBRM

As an aside how do you accout for events like BRSCC GT Special Saloon car race (Snetterton 1966) which was actually GT cars but called a special saloon car race?

No idea Any car that meets our undefined definition of "interesting".

When are Dan and Drifty going to get stuck into the later 1970s?

[John Turner]

Only reason I included race numbers was if anyone unearthed photographs that would match the numbers and help identify it more quickly, but happy to exclude it as it saves a bit of two finger ....... typing!

[John Turner]

Brands Hatch - 3/5/70

Roy Pierpoint - Rover - 4500cc (entered by W.[Bill?].J. Shaw, this is the Traco developed Buick/Rover engine)
Colin Hawker - Ford Escort - 2996cc
Dave Brodie - Ford Escort - 2105cc
Stuart Turner - Ford Escort - 1860cc
M(ike?) Chittenden - Morris Minor - 1650cc (Ford engine?)
John Calvert - Ford Cortina FVA (?) - 1600cc

Castle Combe - 31/8/70

Brian Cutting - Ford Escort - 2994cc
John Kirmond - Ford Cortina - 4235cc (Jaguar?)
Piers Townsend - Ford Cortina - 4500cc (Daimler V8?)
Martin Kent - Sunbeam Rapier - 5300cc (Chevrolet/Chrysler) - Great, now that I've found it, I can sleep at nights!

[driftwood]

Allen ive not looked past 1974 AS yet doing B1921 etc but i have found bits n bobs within those mags on special saloons
some points here
1 Brian Cutting has Martin V8 powered escort racing and also for sale ads
2 Martin kent Rapier is racing 73 / 4ish and advertised for sale
3 Mike Chittenden races many cars over the years anglias early 70`s and escorts the he also races as Mick- the wife Mikki races a mini ( she is a Vandervell!) mainly at brands mid 70`s
4 Roy Pierpoint Rover P5 lives across the forecourt of my workshop it races in historic endurance events
5 John Calvert- which one is this Huron racer or march libre racer?
Les Nash is the Flying purple people eater anglia driver later races bevan Imp and in the late 80`s/early 90`s races lotus cortina in classic saloon series

Norman Abbott and Terry Dury go on to build race cars for other people

Chris Craft i assume is the sports car racer of the 70`s and Capris BTCC racer of the 80`s

it would be good to get photos of these early race cars

[John Turner]

Crystal Palace - 12/9/70 - Forward Trust meeting

Event 2

Osram BARC Championship - not sure all these below were 'Special' saloons but some clearly were:-

Martin Thomas - Ford Mustang - 4995cc - White/Orange
Rhoddy Harvey-Bailey - Ford Falcon Sprint - 4727 - White/Blue
Colin Hawker - Ford Escort V6 - 2996cc - Orange/White
Philip Danby - Ford Escort Martin V8 - 2846cc - Red/Yellow
Arthur Preou - Ford Escort FVA - 1598cc - Yellow
Dave Brodie - Ford Escort Twin cam - 2105cc - Black
Bailie Russell - Ford Anglia - 1558cc - Blue
Gerry Marshall - Vauxhall Viva GT - 2300cc - White
Mike Chittenden - Morris Minor 1000 - 1600cc - Blue

Crystal Palace - 9/9/72 - Hexagon Trophy Meeting

Race 6 - Forward Trust Special Saloons

Robin Gray - Ford Escort - 3000cc - Red/White
Brian Cutting - Ford Escort - 2998cc - Blue
Colin Hawker - Ford Escort - 2996cc - Blue
Norman Abbott - Ford Escort - 2150cc - Pink
Mike Crabtree - Ford Escort RS1600 - 2100cc - White/Red
Heinz Ridlishbacher - Ford Capri - 2100cc - Red
Gerry Marshall - Vauxhall Firenza - 2300cc - Silver/Blue
Gerry Johnstone - Vauxhall Firenza - 2300cc - White/Orange
Bill Cox - Ford Capri - 3500cc(Rover?) - Blue

Later cars:-

Donington - 9/7/89 - Vauxhall Trophy Day

Race 3 - Johnson Tiles Thundersaloons (30 laps)

Class A:-
John Cleland/Vince Woodman - GM Carlton - 6000cc (Vauxhall??? - surely not!)
Brian Ashley/Jeff York - Ford Sierra - 3500cc (Rover)
Michael Quaife - Ford Sierra - 2100T (Ford)
Julian Swayland/Sean Brown - Toyota Starlet - 2000T (Mountune)
Gerry Marshall/Nick Oatway - Opel Manta - Opel Manta - 6500cc (Pontiac)
Steve Colvillle/Mike Capon - Mitsubishi - 2100cc (Minster T)
Brian Powles/Manby - Sierra Chevrolet - 6900cc
Jim Mensley/Tony Wolfe - Honda Legend - 6500cc
Honor Blackburn/Mike Wilson - Mazda RX7 - 3442cc (Cosworth)
Jerry Hibbert/Prior - Chevrolet Camaro - 5700cc

Class B
Vaughan Jones/Gary Cole - GM Firenza - 2300cc
John Goldacre/T Davies - Transpeed Firenza - 2500cc
Steve King/Tony Paxman - Ford Escort - 2100cc
Tommy Field/Dave Wallis - Toyota Starlet - 2000cc
Robert Bridger/Paul Sherlock - Ford Escort - 2300cc
Danny Morris/Ricky Morris - Peugeot 205 - 2400cc