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http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/champcar/15575/ Ranger (a Quebecer) was testing again and rather successfully. This time it was with the full time drivers and Timo Glock. If the OWRS guys are smart they'd better help this guy get a ride. The best way to secure the Montreal race would be to secure local interest in CC.
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Adding Ranger is a great ticket seller anywhere, this kid is good...
Where he land for this year is complete mistery, he's tested champ, Renault V6, but nothing is confirmed as of yet. Fred |
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Excellent. I think it would be wise for another series such as either Busch or ALMS or maybe even Grand Am to race with CC in Montréal. You can never have to much racing on a weekend. I would be hesitant to invite Busch though. Wouldn't want to invite King Kong to your tea party.
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A torrential afternoon practice session in Watkins Glen saw Villeneuve out-qualify everyone. By 11 seconds.Scheckter stated: "I scared myself rigid that day, I thought I had to be quickest. Then I saw Gilles's time and - I still don't really understand how it was possible. Eleven seconds !" |
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Well, that was fast!
Interesting that as soon as a Champcar-negative (and unsubstansiated, it seems) rumour comes out, the Champcar site is quick to quash such fears with a statement that may not say anything official, but at least quells people's fears! This may not be the end of the IRL to Canada speculation. If NASCAR wanders up to the oval mentioned earlier in the thread there's a chance the IRL could jump on it's back and come along for the ride, but for Montreal at least it doesn't seem likely.... |
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Canada doesn't have any Ovals that could support any kind of big league event.
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A torrential afternoon practice session in Watkins Glen saw Villeneuve out-qualify everyone. By 11 seconds.Scheckter stated: "I scared myself rigid that day, I thought I had to be quickest. Then I saw Gilles's time and - I still don't really understand how it was possible. Eleven seconds !" |
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I would love to see the Speed World Challenge race in Montreal with the Champ Cars. They draw the same kind of audience and possibly Memo could drive in both series that weekend which would make some people very happy.
I don't believe Another Series would be very popular in Canada, but maybe they would like to race in Winnipeg in April, or Regina. Or even Flin Flon. There are lots of cities in Canada where I would not be likely to go, and Another Series is welcome to them. |
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Dov, you know they're coming to Mosport, right?
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Liz, are you planning trips to Korea, South Africa, Germany or any of the other pie-in-the-sky venues ChampCars has looked towards?
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You forgot Argentina, Boots!
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Why is Korea pie in the sky? Given the official ground breaking ceramony it is hard to believe that it is not a done deal.
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Okay, if they've got the race sorted, let's see them make it successful over a long period of time. Let's see them make it profitable despite the transport costs and inevitably low initial ticket sales. Let's see them desperately find a fifth-rate Korean driver to bolster interest.
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This still makes little sense to me.
There are a number of terrific venues here that have already been built that do not require trans-Pacific transport costs to be incurred. The only reason (I can think of) to do this is if the long-term goal is to move away from the North/South American markets. My question is still: Why? You already have a market here that is in tune to motorsports and far more affluent. The Amigos are moving to countries where wages are far lower, motorsports are not well known and the venues don't exist. If you are going to go, then why not go to Suzuka, for example. The Japanese have a good demographic, are familiar with motorsports and the facilities already exist. I swear that these guys use a dart board to make decisions regarding the future of this series. |
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IRL has never stated to be a "global" series, Champcar is, in fact the WorldSeries.
so it makes sense for them to run all over the planet. get good races in and raise the profile, i think they have their hands full though-IRL is one adversary, if superfund gets going full steam, well they are very simliar in performance to CCWS, and there are others. Champcar needs to ramp it up a tad to get more manufacturers or chassis in the game- Mygale? Dome? Van dieman (it is a spec ford series now anyway) anyone? |
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But manufacturer involvement has been the "kiss of death" to so many Series - why would anyone want more of it? Look how expensive the IRL has become since the manufacturers moved there, and F1 is the very definition of overkill.
Adding additional chassis options will only make CC more expensive then it is now. More testing, development, etc would be required to get the new chassis' "competetive." Look what happened to the Reynard when development stopped. I admit that some diversity would be good, but the Series is barely keeping it's head above water now. |
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They've got the right to expand, but are they right to? They're losing more great US races (not neccessarily directly to the IRL) and making some major gambles in its new choices of race locations. Why are they doing the very things which eventually bankrupted CART.
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Presumable the reason that they're going to Korean instead of say Suzuka or Fuji, etc. is because of the criteria KK recently outlined: High sanctioning fees. If a local is willing to pony up the big bucks they're willing to go there. This isn't just about having a successful race, I think they could easily do that in an aditional Canadian, Mexican or South American situation. Before we start getting overly cynical, remember how much it is costing the OWRS guys to keep the series afloat. Cash needs to come into the series by any means, not necessarly through the traditional model. Given teams subsidization, etc, it's not just about money for the owners, it's also about paying for the teams with less than optimal levels of sponsorship.
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