2014 Toyota Racing Series Season

[GHOGH]

Did it enhance or otherwise the series to have Cassidy turn up and win the GP?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/n...ectid=11204933

The FT 50. Are the FT 40s to be museum pieces now?

[bluespur]

Believe you should have to do a minimum number of rounds to qualify to start GP race.

Understand FT40 tubs could be destined for an academy overseas. Engines to the FT50 car

[socram]

Originally Posted by bluespur

Believe you should have to do a minimum number of rounds to qualify to start GP race.

Why? In days past, with overseas GP drivers more than happy to come along for the occasional Tasman race, it added value.

The GP is important and just happens to be included in the TRS, but it doesn't have to be. The difference is that in earlier years, it appears that you could run cars that didn't all conform to the same formula and it was probably all the richer for it!

Certainly, there was never a demand for a driver to compete elsewhere first.

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by socram

The difference is that in earlier years, it appears that you could run cars that didn't all conform to the same formula and it was probably all the richer for it!

Is that a fact, could you please explain the differences.

[CDM]

Originally Posted by bluespur

Believe you should have to do a minimum number of rounds to qualify to start GP race.

Yes Why????

in these days with such low numbers fronting on the grids (across the board I mean), why would you limit the numbers competing, especially someone who was always unlikely to be an "also-ran".

I think its great nick wanted to be involved and tbh was disappointed that Kenny Smith couldn't source a car to also compete...

[Rusty Nail]

Originally Posted by CDM

Yes Why????

in these days with such low numbers fronting on the grids (across the board I mean), why would you limit the numbers competing, especially someone who was always unlikely to be an "also-ran".

I think its great nick wanted to be involved and tbh was disappointed that Kenny Smith couldn't source a car to also compete...

Exactly. I agree totally. And didn't Neale Motorsport (who ran Tang, Munro and Cassidy) have a magnificent first season!

[Mark Petch]

Originally Posted by Rusty Nail

Exactly. I agree totally. And didn't Neale Motorsport (who ran Tang, Munro and Cassidy) have a magnificent first season!

Nick Cassisdy deserved to be on the grid, he has just come of a soul destroying year trying to scrape money together to get a ride in Europe, and was recruited by Andy Neal to coach his teams drivers, smart smart move in my opinion.

If Nick had had the budget he would have run the whole TRS season, as it was he only just got enough backing to pay for the GP weekend drive.

[Goat Boy]

She's a hard road to hoe in motorsport, both here and overseas. It's okay if your daddy is mega-rich but for the normal human it's a constant struggle unless you can find a Willi Weber of your own. Luckily we have Colin Giltrap who has done a huge amount for young 'uns but even he does not have unlimited pockets.

Someone needs to convince Wayne Rooney to spend some of his NZ$600k per week salary on motorsport in NZ....

[socram]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Is that a fact, could you please explain the differences.

Haven't you ever looked at the grids for the Ardmore GPs?

Maybach Special / Maybach 3800cc 6cyl BRM P15 / BRM 1496cc V16 s/c HWM / Alta 1972cc 4cyl Cooper-Bristol Mk II / Bristol 1971cc 6cyl Alfa-Romeo Tipo B / Alfa 2905cc 8cyl s/c Cooper-Bristol Mk II / Bristol 1971cc 6cyl Austin-Healey 100 / Austin 2660cc 4cyl Cooper Mk VII / Norton 498cc 1cyl Cooper Mk VI / JAP 497cc 1cyl Cooper Mk II / JAP 1098cc V2 Maserati 8CM / Maserati 2992cc 8cyl s/c Austin-Healey 100 / Austin 2660cc 4cyl Austin-Healey 100 / Austin 2660cc 4cyl FSS Special / Ford 3400cc V8 Jaguar XK-120 / Jaguar 3442cc 6cyl JBS / JAP 1098cc V2 Cooper-Bristol Mk I / Bristol 1971cc 6cyl HWM / Jaguar 3442cc 6cyl MM Special / Holden 2290cc 6cyl Alfa-Romeo Tipo B / Alfa 2905cc 8cyl s/c Ferrari 125 / Ferrari 1995cc V12 s/c Allard J2 / Mercury 4564cc V8 Stanton Special / DeHavilland 6124cc 4cyl Cooper Mk IV / JAP 1098cc V2 Wylie-Javelin / Jowett 1498cc 4cyl GeeCeeEss / Chrysler 5400cc V8 RA / RA 2100cc 4cyl s/c Goldfinch Special / Ford 1904cc V8 Singford / Ford 1172cc 4cyl JBS / Norton 498cc 1cyl Alfa Romeo Monza / Alfa 2300cc 8cyl s/c SH Special / RA 2100cc 4cyl s/c Kieft C50 / Vincent 998cc V2 s/c Palmer Special / Mercury 4118cc V8 DeSoto Special / DeSoto 4099cc 6cyl

[raymond]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

She's a hard road to hoe in motorsport, both here and overseas. It's okay if your daddy is mega-rich but for the normal human it's a constant struggle unless you can find a Willi Weber of your own. Luckily we have Colin Giltrap who has done a huge amount for young 'uns but even he does not have unlimited pockets.

Someone needs to convince Wayne Rooney to spend some of his NZ$600k per week salary on motorsport in NZ....

Wayne's mum thinks he is worth every penny
...and his manager who gets 25%

We are lucky we have the Colin Giltraps of this world and others in NZ. Also lucky they are continuing to fund many NZers overseas...including Hayden Paddon (news confirmed today, has been a rumour around Europe for months)

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by socram

Haven't you ever looked at the grids for the Ardmore GPs?

Maybach Special / Maybach 3800cc 6cyl BRM P15 / BRM 1496cc V16 s/c HWM / Alta 1972cc 4cyl Cooper-Bristol Mk II / Bristol 1971cc 6cyl Alfa-Romeo Tipo B / Alfa 2905cc 8cyl s/c Cooper-Bristol Mk II / Bristol 1971cc 6cyl Austin-Healey 100 / Austin 2660cc 4cyl Cooper Mk VII / Norton 498cc 1cyl Cooper Mk VI / JAP 497cc 1cyl Cooper Mk II / JAP 1098cc V2 Maserati 8CM / Maserati 2992cc 8cyl s/c Austin-Healey 100 / Austin 2660cc 4cyl Austin-Healey 100 / Austin 2660cc 4cyl FSS Special / Ford 3400cc V8 Jaguar XK-120 / Jaguar 3442cc 6cyl JBS / JAP 1098cc V2 Cooper-Bristol Mk I / Bristol 1971cc 6cyl HWM / Jaguar 3442cc 6cyl MM Special / Holden 2290cc 6cyl Alfa-Romeo Tipo B / Alfa 2905cc 8cyl s/c Ferrari 125 / Ferrari 1995cc V12 s/c Allard J2 / Mercury 4564cc V8 Stanton Special / DeHavilland 6124cc 4cyl Cooper Mk IV / JAP 1098cc V2 Wylie-Javelin / Jowett 1498cc 4cyl GeeCeeEss / Chrysler 5400cc V8 RA / RA 2100cc 4cyl s/c Goldfinch Special / Ford 1904cc V8 Singford / Ford 1172cc 4cyl JBS / Norton 498cc 1cyl Alfa Romeo Monza / Alfa 2300cc 8cyl s/c SH Special / RA 2100cc 4cyl s/c Kieft C50 / Vincent 998cc V2 s/c Palmer Special / Mercury 4118cc V8 DeSoto Special / DeSoto 4099cc 6cyl

They all did conform to the same formula. You need to do your homework a little better and check the regulations of the time for it was Formula Libre

[socram]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

They all did conform to the same formula. You need to do your homework a little better and check the regulations of the time for it was Formula Libre

Which means "Free Formula"! Not like TRS or FF or even F5000 which is what I was getting at - but I think you know that!

Formula Libre has always been a grid which is a mish-mash of cars which may or may not conform to any other formula of the time, particularly where grids would be too small to be viable on their own.

[CDM]

Originally Posted by socram

Which means "Free Formula"! Not like TRS or FF or even F5000 which is what I was getting at - but I think you know that!

Formula Libre has always been a grid which is a mish-mash of cars which may or may not conform to any other formula of the time, particularly where grids would be too small to be viable on their own.

So with regard to the other small grids thread, it seems we need 'Saloon Libre'

[socram]

Originally Posted by CDM

So with regard to the other small grids thread, it seems we need 'Saloon Libre'

I'd have no problem with an open saloons grid - but now we are off topic for this thread!

[Blackpearl]

Seems the 86 series is in trouble, geaer boxes going left and right, then some dates that they cant do and blame the other people then hay, we will pay you 1000 dollars to come to taupo at easter and have no tv coverage.

[raymond]

Originally Posted by Blackpearl

Seems the 86 series is in trouble, geaer boxes going left and right, then some dates that they cant do and blame the other people then hay, we will pay you 1000 dollars to come to taupo at easter and have no tv coverage.

Better go and lease one for $500 then!

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by raymond

Better go and lease one for $500 then!

If you add an 8 before the 5, you'll be on the money. That covers all running costs except damages (and gearbox repairs) which is a lot of freight to run three races with a handful of other 86's. It's hardly appealing is it.

[mountainstar]

I don't know why people are bagging the 86's as they are damn silly fun to drive on track and the gearbox issue is news to me.

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

I don't know why people are bagging the 86's as they are damn silly fun to drive on track and the gearbox issue is news to me.

I don't think "the drive" has ever been in question. But the gearbox issue is of concern for many in the class, trust me on that. Aside from that they are considered, by more than a few, to be very expensive at $78k plus GST, and by the time you buy tyres, pay the Series Registration and entry fees (plus all the other bits we know cost extra money), you are paying quite a bit to run in a series that (correct me if I'm wrong) has at best had nine cars at any one round. There are only five drivers that have competed at all rounds, so it's not exactly well supported is it.

And why you might ask!

[Mark Petch]

Originally Posted by on_to_it

I don't think "the drive" has ever been in question. But the gearbox issue is of concern for many in the class, trust me on that. Aside from that they are considered, by more than a few, to be very expensive at $78k plus GST, and by the time you buy tyres, pay the Series Registration and entry fees (plus all the other bits we know cost extra money), you are paying quite a bit to run in a series that (correct me if I'm wrong) has at best had nine cars at any one round. There are only five drivers that have competed at all rounds, so it's not exactly well supported is it.

And why you might ask!

OTI, do you happen to know what a set of Michelin tyres cost for the 86's?

[Blackpearl]

Originally Posted by Mark Petch

OTI, do you happen to know what a set of Michelin tyres cost for the 86's?

Not cheap, the gearbox rebuild kit sans beerings is 1200 plus gst and has to be done from one of them, so figure 2 grand on a box that will last 2 meetings if lucky.

12500 was the last i got from a pay driver through neil alport he said thats a joke and never went ahead.

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Mark Petch

OTI, do you happen to know what a set of Michelin tyres cost for the 86's?

$1900 + GST per set of 4

[Mark Petch]

Originally Posted by on_to_it

$1900 + GST per set of 4

Wow! That's more expensive than V8ST charge their teams for a much bigger, tyre, and in our experience with the V8ST Prototype program, a better tyre than the Michelin's we tested.

Maybe they should have put the tyre contract out to tender, because based again on my V8ST experience, they could have got equally good if not better tyres than what they have ended up with for about $1200 plus GST.

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Mark Petch

Wow! That's more expensive than V8ST charge their teams for a much bigger, tyre, and in our experience with the V8ST Prototype program, a better tyre than the Michelin's we tested.

Maybe they should have put the tyre contract out to tender, because based again on my V8ST experience, they could have got equally good if not better tyres than what they have ended up with for about $1200 plus GST.

That comparison crossed my mind too. Perhaps it's a case of "someone looking after his mates!"

[raymond]

Originally Posted by on_to_it

That comparison crossed my mind too. Perhaps it's a case of "someone looking after his mates!"

...or maybe it's just Toyota preferring one supplier over another?