Brabham BT38 - Page 3

Steve Wilkinson · 17 Mar 2006, 16:30 (Ref:1551228)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

I've been working through this thread identifying Sprint BT38s.

The ones I can't identify are:

Brabham-Cosworth BDE BT38 (1.8) - Paul Edwards 1977/78
Brabham-Ford BT38 (1.6) - John Hart

Thanks

Allen

The Paul Edwards chassis has been identified as BT38-17

Still no nearer to cracking the John Hart chassis number!

allenbrown · 17 Mar 2006, 16:40 (Ref:1551237)

Yes indeed, some time ago. You were quoting me from Nov 2004!

Allen

Bryan Miller · 24 Mar 2006, 01:03 (Ref:1559146)

At the HRA web , www.hra-online.de are for sale described as , 1] ex Ulf Svennson BT38 F3 , described as chassis plate on car , however # not given , and also as a partly basket case, 2] ex. Wison Fittipaldi BT38 F2 , plate on car however not given , should be BT38-25.
Also still at www.carclassic.com is poor old BT38-23 , chassis plate in photo. This should be the Uniacke Chemicals car of Richard Scott at Thruxton in April 1972 , thence after that the F.I.R.S.T. car of Peter Westbury.
Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 24 Mar 2006, 01:14 (Ref:1559154)

www.race-cars.com archive section has BT38-15 as ex Can-am sports racer etc, Chris has notes on that car.
Also listed is BT38C-17 , called out as ex Randy Lewis.
Bryan.

Steve Wilkinson · 24 Mar 2006, 16:01 (Ref:1559699)

Tony Griffiths in his BT38 at Harewood in July 1976

Andrew Fellowes · 6 Dec 2006, 22:16 (Ref:1783649)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

Also listed is BT38C-17 , called out as ex Randy Lewis. Bryan.

Randy Lewis F3, sponsored by Wrangler Jeans,
then sold to Tom Smith, FT200 installed & converted to FB.

Anuauto · 11 Dec 2006, 12:56 (Ref:1787940)

From Jimmy Fuller, Antigua, 6 December 2006:
The BT38 he used in 1973 UK F3 was run from a unit at the rear of Frank Williams' premises in Slough and was sold at end of season in UK (with 3 engines-Holbay, Vegantune and Novamotor-,Transit van and trailer) for £1000. No chassis number known.

KIIX Racing · 5 Jan 2007, 17:55 (Ref:1807673)

Hi
I bought the Brabham BT38 (advertised in www.hra-online.de) ex Wilson Fittipaldi car i am looking for some parts for it also looking for piktures from 1972 can anywone help me
Regards Johan Krondahl

**John Turner** · 6 Jan 2007, 10:12 (Ref:1808034)

Welcome KIIX; I'm sure that you will get some help here.

Chris Townsend · 4 Feb 2007, 22:41 (Ref:1833539)

In discussion with NW USA racer Mike Rocke about his cars we got round to his first FB car, a BT38. Rocke bought the car in Maidenhead in early 1975, but the interesting thing is that he says it had an FVA engine!
There are a lot of BT38s floating around unknown in 1974-75, but does anyone have a hint of someone using one in libre or sprint/hillclimbs with an FVA?

Chris

Steve Wilkinson · 5 Feb 2007, 09:54 (Ref:1833757)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

In discussion with NW USA racer Mike Rocke about his cars we got round to his first FB car, a BT38. Rocke bought the car in Maidenhead in early 1975, but the interesting thing is that he says it had an FVA engine!
There are a lot of BT38s floating around unknown in 1974-75, but does anyone have a hint of someone using one in libre or sprint/hillclimbs with an FVA? Chris

I went to Harewood (August) and Prescott (September) in 1974. There was just the one BT38 entered and that was Alister Douglas-Osborn's car which had a BDG engine installed and went on to become the Pilbeam R22.

Euromontagna · 14 Feb 2007, 21:25 (Ref:1841652)

1972:Hans Obrist
1973:Baturone, Amweg
1992:Whyte

allenbrown · 14 Feb 2007, 21:50 (Ref:1841679)

Autosprint lists Obrist's car as a BT36. As it was said to have a FVA engine, I'd be inclined to believe BT36 rather than BT38.

Roman - where is it listed as being a BT38?

Euromontagna · 15 Feb 2007, 17:30 (Ref:1842338)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Autosprint lists Obrist's car as a BT36. As it was said to have a FVA engine, I'd be inclined to believe BT36 rather than BT38.

Roman - where is it listed as being a BT38?

Only one race (1972 Freiburg - EHC) listed as Brabham BT 36 F3, in 1969 Brabham 1150, in 1970-71 Brabham 1300, so it could be a mistake

Steve Wilkinson · 18 Feb 2007, 16:06 (Ref:1844405)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Brabham-BT-38-...QQcmdZViewItem

Under all the bodywork lurks a genuine BT38!

allenbrown · 26 Feb 2007, 16:21 (Ref:1852093)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Rafa - do you know much about Spanish hillclimb championship? I'm trying to find if Miguel Coarasa appears with a March 74B in 1974.

Just spotted this. Coarosa ran a March 722 in 1973 and 1974. Can't remember who it was ex off hand but I'll wade back in and find that.

But in the meantime...

allenbrown · 26 Feb 2007, 16:28 (Ref:1852102)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

This is my version of F2 BT38s

/18 Potocki/Jaussaud
/24 Jaussaud/Potocki, 1973 to Opert

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rafa Reyna

On winter of 1973 the spanish driver Eugenio Baturone bought the Brabham BT38/18 to Jaussaud.
Baturone raced the car in the Spanish Hill Climb Championship from april '73 to the end of the year.
After that he sold the Brabham to another sapnish driver, José Teixidó who avec it the years 1974 and 75.

We have some competition for ex-Potocki BT38s. Echappement (May 1976 p72) carries an interview with Michel Lateste and says that he bought the ex-Potocki BT38 for 1974. The car was in pieces when he bought it. He ran it until mid-1975 and then bought the ex-Philippe Hesnault March 742. Can't see it yet in 1976.

Allen

Chris Townsend · 26 Feb 2007, 16:41 (Ref:1852109)

Allen, that looks fine, we know that Potocki and Jaussaud switched cars - indeed, we can identify the point at which it happened. So both the team's BT38s could reasonably be described as ex Potocki. however, 18 was Jaussaud's car for most of the season [until he bent it badly] and 24 Potocki's [Jaussaud used it to maintain his chase for the championship when Brabham couldn't replace 18 in time, and Potocki drove it bent]
So that suggests that Lateste used 24.

Coarasa told me he did have the 74B for hillclimbs.

Chris

allenbrown · 26 Feb 2007, 16:46 (Ref:1852112)

So does that mean the Opert thing was a red herring?

Chris Townsend · 26 Feb 2007, 19:16 (Ref:1852211)

De Adamich drives a BT38 at Caracas that Autosport says is 'ex Jaussaud'. However, given that AS was running a three sentence story off someone else's wire, I wouldn't place too great a reliability on't. He'd got three Rondel BT38s at that point anyway.

Chris

allenbrown · 26 Feb 2007, 19:24 (Ref:1852217)

If a car was both ex-Potocki and ex-Jaussaud, does it strike you as odd that a French team would later describe it as ex-Potocki rather than ex-Jaussaud?

Just thinking out loud...

Steve Wilkinson · 27 Feb 2007, 10:58 (Ref:1852709)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Brabham-BT-38-...QQcmdZViewItem

Under all the bodywork lurks a genuine BT38!

Well it was sold and I know the guy who bought it! He is currently undeceided on what to do (a) restore as is for Speed Events, or (b) restore as a BT38.

I'll keep you posted.

Chris Townsend · 27 Feb 2007, 18:16 (Ref:1853046)

Allen

ex Potocki or ex Jaussaud, depends on how class obsessed they were.
After all Potocki's family goes back a long way in the Franco-polonaise nobility - his grand-dad was a chum of Proust's
Could also, more seriously, be shorthand for Potocki team car

Chris

allenbrown · 27 Feb 2007, 20:38 (Ref:1853190)

Proust! That explains everything.

Chris Townsend · 2 May 2007, 08:28 (Ref:1904796)

Jimmy Fuller's BT38 in 1973 F3 is described by Autosport as 'ex Chris O'Brien' AS 13.5.73 p. 22
Don't know chassis number for that one

Chris

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