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Hence note that the power needed to push an object through a fluid increases as the cube of the velocity. At the end of the day brute force and maximum downforce are king, but the challenge was to try and maintain the lap time with half the down force. The F1 Lap record for Silverstone is 1:30 odd and the F3 lap record is 1:53. So the question I guess would be what would a 50 kg underweight F3 (F3 min weight 550Kg) with 650 bhp instead of 200 bhp run? Also better gearbox, tyres and brakes than the F3s. What do you reckon that would get down to? |
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A very light, and very small, F3 car with probably less downforce than normal and with 650bhp........hmmmmm Over one lap, it may be possible. Over an entire race distance that car is going to have to pit for fuel and tyres quite often, I would say. |
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The biggest problem would be those black round things found at each corner, to get them to tolerate low downforce. |
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Particularly the horrendous wheelspin! But maybe, 4 wheel drive; traction control; ABS brakes; refueling, etc. I'm not even sure all of that would be enough. Probably not.
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Maybe if you can get a tyre that uses the van der Waals force to be orders of magnitude more grippy, without compromising durability, rather than four wheel drive and such. Though I wonder what unintended consequences there would be to making up half the aero grip with mechanical grip (i.e. with super grippy tyres).
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It all depends on too many variables for even the boffins in F1 to be bothered with, I think. They most certainly don't want to be putting themselves out of a job! |
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In a sense, I think the initial question of the thread is the wrong question. I read into it that it is important to maintain lap times. If you halved the downforce and kept power where it is, the drivers would be at part throttle more of the time, which would let the better drivers distinguish themselves. Fans would appreciate that, wouldn't they?
The rear ends would step out more when a driver was under pressure, which would show they were really pushing and be more dramatic. Braking distances would get longer, allowing out-braking duels to come back. Some fans would stare at their stopwatches and grumble, but most would ask "Why didn't they do this sooner?" I think the 2014 regulations will have some of that effect. |
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Speaking of which (recently updated): http://www.fia.com/sites/default/fil...ONS-111212.pdf It all depends how clever they have been as to how much tail sliding action there will be. Don't be too surprised if some rather hurried 'stop-gap' regulations are put into force. |
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This seems a bit rich!
2.5 New systems or technologies : Any new system, procedure or technology not specifically covered by these regulations, but which is deemed permissible by the FIA Formula One Technical Department, will only be admitted until the end of the Championship during which it is introduced. Following this the Formula One Commission will be asked to review the technology concerned and, if they feel it adds no value to Formula One in general, it will be specifically prohibited. Any team whose technology is prohibited in this way will then be required to publish full technical details of the relevant system or procedure |
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That seems to mean a new idea will have to work pretty well first time at the start of a season for a team to be able to take advantage of it.
What is a new system or technology? Could it be a hole in the bodywork that allows air to go in a certain direction or a different shaped exhaust outlet that will blow in a certain way? This rule could have alot of significance in 2014 with all the new energy recovery systems etc. |
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No, they're not, and haven't been for at least 30 years. They're slowed in the interest of safety. Auto racing works under a sort of honor system where F1 gets to be fastest. That or Bernie would give anyone who tried to have a faster series a miserable time! |
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Is there such a thing as a comprehensive and detailed list of technologies that are specifically banned from F1?
Seems to me it would be a list offering some great ideas for the future of personal transportation efficiency and safety. But then I'm a cynic! |
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Expect something written in Fasi by the cleaner and translated into English with Google translate! Guess Adrian's way is the best, you find it and tell us what it does and you may be able to ban it when you understand it! Until then we'll run it! Last edited by wnut; 23 Dec 2012 at 01:48. |
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I see Mazda's road cars are now running capacitors in their road KERS, the very technology which our road relevant super series has banned! |
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The reason for F1s 'upgrade' is not to particularly develop those technologies, but to make F1 a suitable market place for sponsorship. |
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Good point Marbot! But then they close the series off to the development of the most advanced tech systems and stick with batteries? I am sure that the manufacturers of the capacitor technology would be tempted to showcase their product in F1, it is the way of the future. The KERS regs should be far more open and less prescriptive than they are at present. F1 spec series bringing up the rear again with stone age technology, pretty frustrating! |
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Anyway see this short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAo0mbCFDAw From when the delta wing was an Indy concept, they designed the cars to be able to follow each other closely so the wake effect was very seriously considered. Happy xmas everyone. |
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