Code 60 for UK

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by deadsquirrel

We all rely on radios far too much these days - a flaggie with a decent set of mark 1 eyeballs should be able to pick up the flag deployment/withdrawl without need for radio call. A radio call _MIGHT_ speed things up slightly, and help out a lone flaggy, but its not a requirement in my eyes.

Only works if you can see the start line. After that it's going to take a time for each post in turn to see the flag, put down what they're currently holding and pick up and put out something else. So it can never happen simultaneously all around the circuit. Even assuming the flaggie happens to be looking the right way when it comes out, and if you're on your own sod's law says you'll be looking at something else.

Originally Posted by The Fat Clerk

Haven't we been down this route before 10/15 years ago?

It was called the Battenberg Flag

That worked well didn't it?

Mainly because we didn't us it properly. It was an 'ambush the drivers at the start line' flag.

Originally Posted by numbersix

For the sake of some drivers who may be following this thread I'd like to make the point that our banging on and on about yellows actually has the best interests of drivers in mind.

For drivers who have paid large fees to take part, I assume it is highly upsetting when most of the race is spent doing the equivalent of following a blue-rinse old lady in a Morris 1000 down a country lane.

The problem is caused by the selfish actions of a minority of drivers. There is no safety issue. Not really. If I, as a Post Chief, see that the lunatic fringe is abroad, I simply tell my marshals to stay put and call for a Safety Car. Why should I send the Orange Troops out to help people who don't seem to care about us? Well, I don't. It's as simple as that. We want to get drivers racing again as fast as possible with minimum time loss. And we will do this at personal risk. But there is a line beyond which we will not go. Nor should we.

A SC must be the worst of all driver options. It destroys several race laps and the leaders loose any distance advantage they have gained. It doesn't even work; the tail-enders are still at race speed playing catch up.

The Code 60 idea (if it can be successfully used on circuits without the technology enjoyed by cash rich territories) will be less invasive, will help the leaders maintain their distance advantage and stop tail-enders gaining an unfair advantage in time, if not position. But it will still mess up everyone, and probably for more than one lap.

Obeying yellows, on the other hand, means that only one sector is affected and after the green, drivers can roar off to their hearts content to the benefit of all.

So the actions of a few drivers are messing it up for all the other drivers. Therefore I have this question: Why aren't the majority of decent drivers playing merry-hell with these people?. Unless I've missed it somewhere, I don't see drivers as a whole campaigning for change. Do, please, correct me if I'm wrong, but if some #@&se had caused me to lose half the value of my race fee - I'd have words with him. Or her.

So here we have the wrong people - marshals and officials - trying to help drivers to help themselves with new flag regs every season, knowing full well they are trying to fix the symptoms not the cause.

Drivers! - heal thyselves. It's your money you're wasting.

This isn't a rant. It's an appeal for common sense to the very people who are most effected by a self-generated problem.

That. Exactly that.

[Chigley]

I am really, really tempted to jump into this thread hook line and sinker and have a real RANT at people who:
a. haven't read all of the MSA DISCUSSION document.
b. haven't read all of the factual information on this thread from people who have USED the code 60 system.
c. are speculating, guessing, assuming, making 2+2 equal 5, shown they haven't got a clue what they are talking about by virtue of what they are writing.
d. insist that just because it is a flag on post, we (marshals) are involved in the control, reporting, implementing, track infringements other than basic track standards and safety.

Copy of Code 60 regulations for the Hankook 24 hr series
29.7
The Race Director will:
Instead of the use of a Safety Car to secure areas of danger or accidents, for additional safety reasons, the Race Director will neutralize the race and/or practise sessions by means of a code 60 Procedure as specified in article 31 of the present Regulations.
31. Neutralizing of the race by means of a Safety code-60 Procedure (purple code-60 flag).
31.1
As described in Article 29.7: The Race Director will:
Instead of the use of a safety car to secure areas of danger or accidents, for additional safety reasons, the Race Director will neutralize the race by means of a CODE-60 Procedure (code-60 flag).
Introduction of Safety code-60 Procedure
The idea behind this Safety code-60 Procedure is additional safety in case of an accident or other insecure situation.
By means of ALL marshal posts will SIMULTANEOUSLY show the code-60 flag, all drivers on the track will be notified, the code-60 Procedure is brought in to operation.
The main (safety) advantage of the code-60 Procedure is the fact that ALL cars will lower their speed immediately, the maximum speed will be 60km/hour and overtaken is strictly forbidden.
This means that the complete track is secured immediately, and rescue marshals and rescue vehicles can do there important work on a save way.
Maximum Safety is the only reason of this Safety code-60 Procedure. Only of secondary matter, there is no advantage or disadvantage for none of the drivers, because all cars will drive (maximum) 60km/hour (the distance from car to car will stay the same). By means of the time-intermediates in the track, timekeeping will automatically measure the speed of all cars. In case of exceeding the speed limit (occasionally or on average) this will be sanctioned.
++++
31.3
When the order is given to deploy the code-60 Procedure, ALL marshal posts will SIMULTANEOUSLY display the PURPLE flags, with the NUMBER 60 on it.
At the moment the code-60 Flags are shown, ALL drivers have to release the throttle immediately.
During this CODE-60 Procedure it is forbidden to drive faster than 60km/hour.
Overtaking is strictly forbidden during this code-60 Procedure. On decision of The Race Director this can be penalized with a time penalty of 1minute!
31.4
While the CODE-60 Procedure is in operation,
• the Pit Lane is open, so competing cars can enter the pit lane and re-join the track. A car re-joining the track under these conditions will proceed at reduced speed (speed limit is 60km/hour).
• serving of Time-penalties during code-60 is allowed, however the time-penalty will be doubled
• the fuel station is open, however maximum amount (litres) of refuelling, during code-60 is 50% of MAX REFUELLING amount. Following rules apply:
The moment of entering the pit (pit-in loop) and entering the track (pit-out loop) determined by time keeping is valid.
By doing so, the team themselves can make the decision to make a pit stop during CODE60 (and refuel only MAX 50%) or not.
It is the teams-responsibility to know if their car enter the pit during CODE60 and refuel accordingly.
It is also the teams-responsibility to know when car has entered the track (pit-out loop) and refuel accordingly.
++++
31.6 Sanction:
Any car that exceeds the speed limit of 60km/hour can be sanctioned, with a time penalty of at least 10 seconds. The Race Director can increase this time penalty with the double value of the encountered advantage when driving too fast.
31.7 When the Race Director gives the order to end the CODE-60 Procedure, ALL marshal posts will SIMULTANEOUSLY display waved GREEN flags. At the moment the GREEN flags are shown, the race will proceed and it is allowed to overtake.
31.8 Each lap completed while the CODE-60 Procedure will be counted as a race lap.
If during this procedure the time should reach the end of the race, the chequered flag will be used as normal to finish the race.

[MGDavid]

Originally Posted by Chigley

I am really, really tempted to jump into this thread hook line and sinker and have a real RANT at people who:
a. haven't read all of the MSA DISCUSSION document.
b. haven't read all of the factual information on this thread from people who have USED the code 60 system.
c. are speculating, guessing, assuming, making 2+2 equal 5, shown they haven't got a clue what they are talking about by virtue of what they are writing.
d. insist that just because it is a flag on post, we (marshals) are involved in the control, reporting, implementing, track infringements other than basic track standards and safety.

Copy of Code 60 regulations for the Hankook 24 hr series
29.7
The Race Director will:
Instead of the use of a Safety Car to secure areas of danger or accidents, for additional safety reasons, the Race Director will neutralize the race and/or practise sessions by means of a code 60 Procedure as specified in article 31 of the present Regulations.
31. Neutralizing of the race by means of a Safety code-60 Procedure (purple code-60 flag).
31.1
As described in Article 29.7: The Race Director will:
Instead of the use of a safety car to secure areas of danger or accidents, for additional safety reasons, the Race Director will neutralize the race by means of a CODE-60 Procedure (code-60 flag).
Introduction of Safety code-60 Procedure
The idea behind this Safety code-60 Procedure is additional safety in case of an accident or other insecure situation.
By means of ALL marshal posts will SIMULTANEOUSLY show the code-60 flag, all drivers on the track will be notified, the code-60 Procedure is brought in to operation.
The main (safety) advantage of the code-60 Procedure is the fact that ALL cars will lower their speed immediately, the maximum speed will be 60km/hour and overtaken is strictly forbidden.
This means that the complete track is secured immediately, and rescue marshals and rescue vehicles can do there important work on a save way.
Maximum Safety is the only reason of this Safety code-60 Procedure. Only of secondary matter, there is no advantage or disadvantage for none of the drivers, because all cars will drive (maximum) 60km/hour (the distance from car to car will stay the same). By means of the time-intermediates in the track, timekeeping will automatically measure the speed of all cars. In case of exceeding the speed limit (occasionally or on average) this will be sanctioned.
++++
31.3
When the order is given to deploy the code-60 Procedure, ALL marshal posts will SIMULTANEOUSLY display the PURPLE flags, with the NUMBER 60 on it.
At the moment the code-60 Flags are shown, ALL drivers have to release the throttle immediately.
During this CODE-60 Procedure it is forbidden to drive faster than 60km/hour.
Overtaking is strictly forbidden during this code-60 Procedure. On decision of The Race Director this can be penalized with a time penalty of 1minute!
31.4
While the CODE-60 Procedure is in operation,
• the Pit Lane is open, so competing cars can enter the pit lane and re-join the track. A car re-joining the track under these conditions will proceed at reduced speed (speed limit is 60km/hour).
• serving of Time-penalties during code-60 is allowed, however the time-penalty will be doubled
• the fuel station is open, however maximum amount (litres) of refuelling, during code-60 is 50% of MAX REFUELLING amount. Following rules apply:
The moment of entering the pit (pit-in loop) and entering the track (pit-out loop) determined by time keeping is valid.
By doing so, the team themselves can make the decision to make a pit stop during CODE60 (and refuel only MAX 50%) or not.
It is the teams-responsibility to know if their car enter the pit during CODE60 and refuel accordingly.
It is also the teams-responsibility to know when car has entered the track (pit-out loop) and refuel accordingly.
++++
31.6 Sanction:
Any car that exceeds the speed limit of 60km/hour can be sanctioned, with a time penalty of at least 10 seconds. The Race Director can increase this time penalty with the double value of the encountered advantage when driving too fast.
31.7 When the Race Director gives the order to end the CODE-60 Procedure, ALL marshal posts will SIMULTANEOUSLY display waved GREEN flags. At the moment the GREEN flags are shown, the race will proceed and it is allowed to overtake.
31.8 Each lap completed while the CODE-60 Procedure will be counted as a race lap.
If during this procedure the time should reach the end of the race, the chequered flag will be used as normal to finish the race.

That; exactly that !
However there are one or two important variations from the above in the MSA rule out for consultation, and I'm commenting on these in my feedback. I would encourage others to do the same.....

[midgetman]

Sounds like a good plan and an ideal chance for a smart operator to buy a decent GPS speedo so they can drive as close to 60 as possible.

[Richard Duvall]

Originally Posted by Terrible-Tones

Second "NumberSix's" post - absolutely spot on

I'll second that!

[M Greenslade]

Originally Posted by Chigley

I am really, really tempted to jump into this thread hook line and sinker and have a real RANT at people who:
a. haven't read all of the MSA DISCUSSION document.
b. haven't read all of the factual information on this thread from people who have USED the code 60 system.
c. are speculating, guessing, assuming, making 2+2 equal 5, shown they haven't got a clue what they are talking about by virtue of what they are writing.
d. insist that just because it is a flag on post, we (marshals) are involved in the control, reporting, implementing, track infringements other than basic track standards and safety.

Copy of Code 60 regulations for the Hankook 24 hr series
29.7
The Race Director will:
Instead of the use of a Safety Car to secure areas of danger or accidents, for additional safety reasons, the Race Director will neutralize the race and/or practise sessions by means of a code 60 Procedure as specified in article 31 of the present Regulations.
31. Neutralizing of the race by means of a Safety code-60 Procedure (purple code-60 flag).
31.1
As described in Article 29.7: The Race Director will:
Instead of the use of a safety car to secure areas of danger or accidents, for additional safety reasons, the Race Director will neutralize the race by means of a CODE-60 Procedure (code-60 flag).
Introduction of Safety code-60 Procedure
The idea behind this Safety code-60 Procedure is additional safety in case of an accident or other insecure situation.
By means of ALL marshal posts will SIMULTANEOUSLY show the code-60 flag, all drivers on the track will be notified, the code-60 Procedure is brought in to operation.
The main (safety) advantage of the code-60 Procedure is the fact that ALL cars will lower their speed immediately, the maximum speed will be 60km/hour and overtaken is strictly forbidden.
This means that the complete track is secured immediately, and rescue marshals and rescue vehicles can do there important work on a save way.
Maximum Safety is the only reason of this Safety code-60 Procedure. Only of secondary matter, there is no advantage or disadvantage for none of the drivers, because all cars will drive (maximum) 60km/hour (the distance from car to car will stay the same). By means of the time-intermediates in the track, timekeeping will automatically measure the speed of all cars. In case of exceeding the speed limit (occasionally or on average) this will be sanctioned.
++++
31.3
When the order is given to deploy the code-60 Procedure, ALL marshal posts will SIMULTANEOUSLY display the PURPLE flags, with the NUMBER 60 on it.
At the moment the code-60 Flags are shown, ALL drivers have to release the throttle immediately.
During this CODE-60 Procedure it is forbidden to drive faster than 60km/hour.
Overtaking is strictly forbidden during this code-60 Procedure. On decision of The Race Director this can be penalized with a time penalty of 1minute!
31.4
While the CODE-60 Procedure is in operation,
• the Pit Lane is open, so competing cars can enter the pit lane and re-join the track. A car re-joining the track under these conditions will proceed at reduced speed (speed limit is 60km/hour).
• serving of Time-penalties during code-60 is allowed, however the time-penalty will be doubled
• the fuel station is open, however maximum amount (litres) of refuelling, during code-60 is 50% of MAX REFUELLING amount. Following rules apply:
The moment of entering the pit (pit-in loop) and entering the track (pit-out loop) determined by time keeping is valid.
By doing so, the team themselves can make the decision to make a pit stop during CODE60 (and refuel only MAX 50%) or not.
It is the teams-responsibility to know if their car enter the pit during CODE60 and refuel accordingly.
It is also the teams-responsibility to know when car has entered the track (pit-out loop) and refuel accordingly.
++++
31.6 Sanction:
Any car that exceeds the speed limit of 60km/hour can be sanctioned, with a time penalty of at least 10 seconds. The Race Director can increase this time penalty with the double value of the encountered advantage when driving too fast.
31.7 When the Race Director gives the order to end the CODE-60 Procedure, ALL marshal posts will SIMULTANEOUSLY display waved GREEN flags. At the moment the GREEN flags are shown, the race will proceed and it is allowed to overtake.
31.8 Each lap completed while the CODE-60 Procedure will be counted as a race lap.
If during this procedure the time should reach the end of the race, the chequered flag will be used as normal to finish the race.

Nothing left to discuss, say's it all really

Bladders...

[wolfhound]

Originally Posted by midgetman

Sounds like a good plan and an ideal chance for a smart operator to buy a decent GPS speedo so they can drive as close to 60 as possible.

Remember that that race control will be using lap times to monitor transgressors, so it will be a good idea for drivers to know what is the lap time at 60 km/hr for the track.

[Slipstick]

Originally Posted by M Greenslade

Nothing left to discuss, say's it all really

Really. Then I must have missed the bit where it explains the magic that will allow for "ALL marshal posts will SIMULTANEOUSLY show the code-60 flag" (the MSA proposal doesn't include that) and what exactly the necessary "time-intermediates in the track" are and how many circuits actually have such things.

It's a generally good idea but implementing it will not be as simple as just trusting it will all be fine. The MSA proposal glosses over a lot of the practicalities...and since we're at the sharp end it's no bad thing us being interested in how it can actually be made to work.

Steve

[MGDavid]

Originally Posted by Slipstick

Really. Then I must have missed the bit where it explains the magic that will allow for "ALL marshal posts will SIMULTANEOUSLY show the code-60 flag" (the MSA proposal doesn't include that) and what exactly the necessary "time-intermediates in the track" are and how many circuits actually have such things.

It's a generally good idea but implementing it will not be as simple as just trusting it will all be fine. The MSA proposal glosses over a lot of the practicalities...and since we're at the sharp end it's no bad thing us being interested in how it can actually be made to work.

Steve

which is why the MSA have put out a discussion document; however I doubt they bother to read this forum so maybe best to email your feedback.

[Lancsbreaker]

As a driver the proposal seems vastly preferable to SC, and since there appears to be little desire from my fellow drivers to really slow in areas where yellows are displayed, it seems a good plan. My speedo is pretty inaccurate, but I know I need to slow dramatically, and stay a constant distance from the car in front.......

[wolfhound]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

As a driver the proposal seems vastly preferable to SC, and since there appears to be little desire from my fellow drivers to really slow in areas where yellows are displayed, it seems a good plan. My speedo is pretty inaccurate, but I know I need to slow dramatically, and stay a constant distance from the car in front.......

As long as it is doing no more than 59.99..

[exflagman]

I wonder if the consultation process will address how the solitary flag marshal at the scene of the incident handle 2 waved yellows and a cod-60 flag - better add a new session for octopi (or is it octopussies) at training days.

[Richard Duvall]

Originally Posted by exflagman

I wonder if the consultation process will address how the solitary flag marshal at the scene of the incident handle 2 waved yellows and a cod-60 flag - better add a new session for octopi (or is it octopussies) at training days.

A good question, but with the cars slowed down to 60kph (which is less than 38mph), are double yellows still necessary? The drivers will have passed the incident causing the Code 60 at least once so will know where the incident is (I'm assuming that the decision to go Code 60 won't be immediate). Perhaps a single yellow in conjunction with the Code 60 will suffice to remind drivers where it is. Making the change from a double yellow to Code 60 might still be cause some excitement, but it is no more difficult than going from double yellow to red. The bottom line is that the Code 60 flag tells the drivers to more than the yellow, ie slow to 60 rather than just lift a little bit and no overtaking the same as yellow.

[Slipstick]

Originally Posted by MGDavid

which is why the MSA have put out a discussion document; however I doubt they bother to read this forum so maybe best to email your feedback.

Done that. But further discussion here may clarify a few ideas.

I always have trouble understanding why people are so keen to shut down discussion. I may be unusual but I find I often get a better understanding after I've heard other people's thoughts about something...I've even been known to change my initial opinion, though that's pretty rare.

Steve

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by MGDavid

which is why the MSA have put out a discussion document; however I doubt they bother to read this forum so maybe best to email your feedback.

Tried that with the DWY. Made no difference, as a result of which I mostly don't flag any more.

Don't have any preference with code 60, to be honest, other than it's yet another attempt to control driving behaviour which should have been done years ago within the existing arrangements, but wasn't.

Now if the need for Code 60/green flags being shown simulataneously means we get a working comms system *landlines* then I'm in favour...

[Slipstick]

Originally Posted by Woolley

Now if the need for Code 60/green flags being shown simulataneously means we get a working comms system *landlines* then I'm in favour...

Unfortunately that is covered in the proposal...no simultaneity, they just roll round the circuit like red flags and SC. Except that on circuits with light boxes SC/red are a bit quicker because the lights do all come on at once. OTOH perhaps there are plans to add purple lights in all the boxes .

Steve

[radreps]

would it be right to assume that this is a stationary flag so the driver can see the 60?

[deley]

Originally Posted by radreps

would it be right to assume that this is a stationary flag so the driver can see the 60?

There is no need for drivers to be able to read anything on the Code 60 flag - the flag means do 60 km/h and it's not as if the flag is going to display a variable speed limit.

[Chigley]

Originally Posted by Richard Duvall

I think the need for simultaneous deployment is vital. With the best will in the world cascade from start line could take 10 to 20 seconds and in this time the driver at the start line who slows to 60kph the instant the first flag is deployed could lose out significantly to the driver at the far side of the circuit who is able to keep running at racing speed for the delay period. My rudimentary calculation estimates that a car could gain an advantage of 25 metres per second! The same would apply to any non-simultaneous deployment of green at the end of a Code 60. I don't think it would be good enough for flag marshals to be dependent upon radios help by others who might be otherwise occupied.

An excellent observation that the MSA should be made aware of.

[Chigley]

I always have trouble understanding why people are so keen to shut down discussion.

It's not about shutting down discussion, it's about trying to moderate the discussion so it doesn't veer off into some flight of fantasy and vivid imagination.
To address some of the concerns, misconceptions and assumptions expressed in this thread here are some answers.

Equip flag marshals with radios? Is there a circuit where there is not a radio available to either the PC or I/O on any post.

It only works on circuits where there are light panels. Incorrect. Code 60 works perfectly well when instigated by radio rather than RC operated light boards. Something the MSA will HAVE to address as progression round the circuit visually will not produce the fairness of no disadvantage to drivers that simultaneous flag display gives.

As a marshal you can only report the facts. Unfortunately you can never accurately say how fast a driver is going at a given point There is absolutely no need for any marshal to estimate, report, comment on a competitors speed it is controlled by the timekeepers and sanctions are levied from the timekeepers records.

It was called the Battenberg FlagThe Battenburg was vastly inferior to the Code 60 as competitors never knew when the green was going to be shown at the start/finish line, resulting in the cavalry charge at the end of each lap. With the Code 60 everyone starts racing simultaneously.

on circuits which don't have the technological advantages of unlimited wealth - I too think will be difficult.This is where the feedback to the MSA on their proposed regulation is essential.

when safety cars were rare beasts and drivers abided by the spirit of yellow flags.The point of the Code 60 is that the whole circuit is made safe and although marshals can deal with whatever incident instigated the 60 all posts can attend to husbandry/debris/oil in their sector at the same time knowing that no-one is a loose cannon trying to catch up with the pack.

the MSA (or applicable ASN) actively enforces the existing yellow and double yellow flags, by doing the same harsh punishment and re-set the acceptable standard?From the Hankook 24 hr series regs regarding overtaking under Code 60.On decision of The Race Director this can be penalized with a time penalty of 1minute!... Sanctions applied to speeding under Code 60. Any car that exceeds the speed limit of 60km/hour can be sanctioned, with a time penalty of at least 10 seconds. The Race Director can increase this time penalty with the double value of the encountered advantage when driving too fast. At Dubai for each and subsequent speeding infringement under Code 60 the teams previous penalty was doubled, then doubled again.... repeat offenders learn a very hard lesson very quickly and soon find a way to do 60kph.

If they policed the yellow flag rules strictly enough, there's no need for another set of rules.As I said above this procedure is about the entire safety of the whole circuit so all marshals can go trackside briefly during the Code 60 not just enforcing a reduction of speed in a particular sector nor about destroying the rhythm of the race

How do you "judge" that a car is travelling at 60KPH? Human perception of speed is both subjective and relative. When reporting we can only state facts, not guesses, estimates, or guesstimates.We have nothing to do with the judging/reporting of speed it is calculated electronically by the timekeepers and therefore guesses, estimates and guesstimates don't come into play.

But they can only do that over a lap, circuits like Mallory don't have Sector timing, and no where has it between Flag Points.This is a problem the MSA will have to address and hence feedback to their proposal is essential.

[MGDavid]

But Mallory IS a sector, compared to many.

[deadsquirrel]

Originally Posted by Woolley

Now if the need for Code 60/green flags being shown simulataneously means we get a working comms system *landlines* then I'm in favour...

Amen, brother

I'll wait for RacerKeke's input here, but I think a full course check was achieved at a speed over ground of 700mph+

[Slipstick]

Originally Posted by Chigley

Equip flag marshals with radios? Is there a circuit where there is not a radio available to either the PC or I/O on any post.

I don't know but there are definitely circuits where some of the flagging points not within easy shouting distance of the box inhabited by the radio-wielding PC. E.g. Oulton has quite a few.

Originally Posted by Chigley

It only works on circuits where there are light panels. Incorrect. Code 60 works perfectly well when instigated by radio rather than RC operated light boards. Something the MSA will HAVE to address as progression round the circuit visually will not produce the fairness of no disadvantage to drivers that simultaneous flag display gives.

Yet progression round the circuit is exactly what is being proposed. So it was worth a comment both here and to the MSA I would think.

We all know that the MSA are not very good at taking much notice of comments and I suspect we as a group are not good at commenting. Airing potential problems here just might help to increase the number of respondents.

Steve

[numbersix]

Originally Posted by Slipstick

I don't know but there are definitely circuits where some of the flagging points not within easy shouting distance of the box inhabited by the radio-wielding PC. E.g. Oulton has quite a few.

Steve

Yes, I was thinking about that. Although many flaggies have scanners it's not guaranteed.

My thoughts turned to the notion of giving the PC an extra Code 60* flag so that he/she can deploy it quickly to signal the same to isolated flag points. If acted upon by radio, that might also be a partial solution for a fast deployment.

At the risk of turning every flag point in the country into a miniature Tibetan monastery, I think the idea of a Code 60 is worth a punt, with the reservation that a small pickup truck is provided to help flaggies carry all the new flags to each flag point.


(*I nearly wrote Code Black, which is entirely appropriate most of the time)

[Beej1]

Originally Posted by Chigley

Equip flag marshals with radios? Is there a circuit where there is not a radio available to either the PC or I/O on any post.

[/INDENT]

Yes. I've spent numerous weekends at Donington without any radio on or near a post and landlines take too long IMO.



Alerting posts is a problem to solve as part of the process, as far as I'm concerned, rather than a reason not to bother.

I actually agree with the theory of code 60. It make perfect sense (to me).

I do think harsher penalties for ignoring DWY would go some way to negate the need to use code 60 AS OFTEN but to have it as an alternative can only be a good thing, surely?