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Too many variables, all you can say is that he may as he has all the attributes.
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I agree. Coulthard was able to stay in the top teams for a good while because he was seen as the best British driver. Remember the good old 'It will be Coulthard's year' gags?
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I think that's somewhat unfair. I agree with you on 2010 (from what I can remember) and definitely 2011 (an annus horribilis), but what about 2007? That was a remarkably consistent debut season. In 2009 he wasn't consistent, but neither was the car so some of that may have been the car's deficiencies. Eventually, he scored a win in it.
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2007 Stats: 1st Half Points: 64 2nd Half Point: 45 1st Half Podiums: 8 2nd Half Podiums: 4 1st Half Poles: 2 2nd Half Poles: 4 1st Half Fastest Laps: 1 2nd Half Fastest Laps: 1 So he really wasn't consistent when it mattered. I agree that he 2009 that Hamilton was pretty good but the championship was a complete write off so there wasn't really much pressure. 2009 isn't really worth discussion of this thread as he wasn't able to get near the championship. Last edited by beau1; 8 Apr 2013 at 01:21. |
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Comparing the first half and second half would probably show Alonso amd Kimi weren't consistent too.
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You'd probably be right there Adam. I refer you to my comments on Kimi from a couple of posts ago. Not sure what you're trying to say?
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Raikkonen was consistent during 07. Consistently sub par for most of the first half. Consistently a beast in the second half. 27pts behind at halfway through the season (the equivalent of 67.5 with the current ponts allocation), and he still got up to win. That's how good he is, all courage and heart under the icy, disinterested exterior and ridiculous sleeve tattoo. Then Ferrari decided to throw their eggs in the Massa basket, because Massa hangs around at the factory and communicates...
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Also, I would contend that most drivers up at the top have a weaker second half of the season unless they are in a stupidly dominant car. It usually seems to be the case that people catch up and/or the championship tension mounts, leading to slightly more inhibited drives. And, again, he didn't "hit anything that moved" in 2010. He hit Massa. That's it. |
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Will he win another championship? Only if he scores more points than any other driver in any given season. Other than that, it's all just ifs, buts, and maybes.
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Indeed.
Although a speculative thread, I suppose the question is valid because people are ultimately asking if Hamilton has it in him to be a consistent driver. Well, I think he's turning into an all-rounder, a la Alonso, so I don't see the debate here. There is little reason he can't dominate a championship and no reason he can't win another championship. |
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Hamilton's difference in points between the first and second half was more than 20 points which is one of the largest differences in the last twenty years (before the new points system came in). As far as close championships go, it is only beaten by Schumacher in 1994 and that was because he couldn't get points at 5 events. It wasn't just Massa Hamilton hit In 2010 that was more like 2011. In 2010 Hamilton made contact with Massa at Italy and Webber at Singapore a race later. Both of these incidents saw him retire from the race and ultimately cost him the chance at another championship. |
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FWIW here are the same stats for Alonso and Raikkonen in 2007:
Alonso: 1st Half Points: 58 2nd Half Points: 51 1st Half Podiums: 5 2nd Half Podiums: 7 1st Half Poles: 1 2nd Half Poles: 1 1st Half Fastest Laps: 2 2nd Half Fastest Laps: 1 Raikkonen 1st Half Points: 52 2nd Half Points: 58 1st Half Podiums: 4 2nd Half Podiums: 8 1st Half Poles: 1 2nd Half Poles: 2 1st Half Fastest Laps: 2 2nd Half Fastest Laps: 4 So these stats show that Ferrari clearly had a better car by the mid point of the season. However, it does show that Hamilton was far more inconsistent than his main title rivals. Hamilton had a shortfall of 19 points (average of 2 points per race) from the 1st half of the season whilst his own team-mate who was battle the resurgent Ferrari team in the same way had only a shortfall of 7 (average of 0.9 points per race). So in essence, Hamilton was not consistent in 2007 compared with his main title rivals and it was this inconsistency that cost him the title. He still had the same 2nd half inconsistency problems up until 2011. Last edited by beau1; 8 Apr 2013 at 19:16. |
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Very engaging comment that Knowlesy, well done. It does a lot to prove my point wrong. I'm sure I could end up with 28,000 posts if I made posts as insightful as that one.
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That was my best yet.
But seriously it is impossible to argue with someone who claims Hamilton had an inconsistent 2007 season. We can justifiably argue either way about other seasons but in this instance you are utterly wrong. Painfully so. |
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