Do we miss Marcos Ambrose??? - Page 3

SkaifeysGal · 9 Jul 2006, 02:27 (Ref:1651095)

let me think for a sec, umm, nope don't miss him

peckstar · 9 Jul 2006, 03:49 (Ref:1651109)

hey skaifeys girl, is that because suddenly your hero can start winning races again?

mctshirt · 9 Jul 2006, 03:56 (Ref:1651110)

Ambrose is not a major loss to the V8's...losing Stone Bros Racing would be a tragedy if you want perspective. Ambrose was fast in a fast car but generally IMHO not that flash in traffic (which made him interesting to watch).

peckstar · 9 Jul 2006, 04:18 (Ref:1651115)

gee i never noticed that

was wondering how after him and skaife came together in WA last year and marcos got a drive through and so he was last, he finished up 4th, i guess its because he is no good in traffic

Surely thats is a sweeping generalisation based on a few races (like one year at NZ) and not on his typical race, because more often than not he was great in the traffic, doubt were many better over the last three years

dsg · 9 Jul 2006, 04:24 (Ref:1651117)

Marcos is missed in the championship because the depth of talent on fords side is not as great as on holdens side at the moment.

mctshirt · 9 Jul 2006, 05:29 (Ref:1651128)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

Surely thats is a sweeping generalisation based on a few races (like one year at NZ) and not on his typical race, because more often than not he was great in the traffic, doubt were many better over the last three years

No...it's my opinion (not to be confused with the facts) I don't think he ever really mastered the gentle art of a clean pass and struggled when not on pole (or very near the front)

FPV GTHO · 9 Jul 2006, 06:51 (Ref:1651145)

Generally, yes, but perhaps not as much as i'd expect. Perhaps keeping in touch with his efforts in the US resulted in that.

Whether you hate him or not, Ambrose, Skaife, Lowndes and Murph were the 4 big characters of the sport, and we lost one of them. We'll never get that back.

mctshirt · 9 Jul 2006, 07:45 (Ref:1651160)

Life continued without Beechy, Geogahan, Moffat, Brock, Dicky Johnson, Glen Seton was the baby faced assassin...until the current crop...it seems to me this year a few of the young guys are putting their hands up...Tander,Rick Kelly, McConville, Winterbottom and Jason Richards spring to mind

stmorri · 9 Jul 2006, 09:03 (Ref:1651192)

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Originally Posted by mctshirt

No...it's my opinion (not to be confused with the facts) I don't think he ever really mastered the gentle art of a clean pass and struggled when not on pole (or very near the front)

And my opinion is......it's always hard to make a clean pass when the car in front doesn't drive on the race line but rather takes a defensive line and in so doing doesn't give racing room, preventing the faster car behind from passing without contact. This style of driving is a common feature of the V8's.

peckstar · 9 Jul 2006, 09:27 (Ref:1651205)

i think the other thing with passing is marcos alwats tried to win or at least go forward, where as other drivers are happy to stay there and accept the 2 point loss. Unfortunatly many of our drivers do not like to be passed and continue to fight when they have been passed meaning paint gets swapped.

but you are right mctshirt life did go on, but i guess when those guys finished it was because they no longer raced and weer not at theer peak (im not sure about the first two as they weer before my time) wheer as marcos was still a front runner and championship contender, he is still racing, just OS

but we do have some new blokes on the scene and i am enjoying frosty and whincup but especially frosty ( and even though i dont like his persona i will barrack for rick ( but only when it comes to two holden drivers)

Pirtek_Falcon-1 · 9 Jul 2006, 10:02 (Ref:1651221)

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Originally Posted by mctshirt

Ambrose is not a major loss to the V8's...losing Stone Bros Racing would be a tragedy if you want perspective. Ambrose was fast in a fast car but generally IMHO not that flash in traffic (which made him interesting to watch).

Your kidding right?

Barbagello, Skaife crashed into him, had to pit to clean out the grille etc. Normal pitstop AND drive-thru penalty and finished FIFTH.

Shanghai, drive-thru, finished 12th on a track he wasnt particuarly fast on.

Op drove back to second after a drive thru.

Bathurst, drive-thru and extra pitstop upto 5th until murphy took him out.

Indy, car failure, 26th - 11th.

Tassie, 27th to 6th in race 3.

peckstar · 9 Jul 2006, 10:26 (Ref:1651228)

i think you have just covered mr McTShirt point though. notice those drive throughs, he did come in contact with cars "more often than not it was the same two or three holden drivers" usally it was a racing type incident, but he definatly could carve through the field when he wanted to, i doubt anyone could truely deny that, but sometimes he passes where not beautifully clean

ford boy · 9 Jul 2006, 10:51 (Ref:1651244)

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Originally Posted by Pirtek_Falcon-1

Your kidding right?

Barbagello, Skaife crashed into him, had to pit to clean out the grille etc. Normal pitstop AND drive-thru penalty and finished FIFTH.

Shanghai, drive-thru, finished 12th on a track he wasnt particuarly fast on.

Op drove back to second after a drive thru.

Bathurst, drive-thru and extra pitstop upto 5th until murphy took him out.

Indy, car failure, 26th - 11th.

Tassie, 27th to 6th in race 3.

Agree with you there. Ambrose is a truly talented driver and the whole time he was in v8's he made the racing very enjoyable with some great battles with other great drivers. I hope someday he returns to the championship or he can make it back for a Bathurst assault once again.

stmorri · 9 Jul 2006, 11:02 (Ref:1651248)

It seems as though Pirtek thought Ambrose was a big loss to the series......when he left, so did they.

FPV GTHO · 9 Jul 2006, 13:43 (Ref:1651305)

But they came back with HSVDT didnt they?

Baritone2400 · 9 Jul 2006, 14:36 (Ref:1651315)

Who is his replacement and how is he doin this year?

Razor · 9 Jul 2006, 14:57 (Ref:1651325)

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Originally Posted by Baritone2400

Who is his replacement and how is he doin this year?

Ambrose's replacement is ex Jaguar F1 Racing's test driver James Courtney. He isn't going too good this season because he is getting the grips with the tracks and has had some mechanical gremliens but he'll shine once the Queensland race is on.

stmorri · 10 Jul 2006, 01:59 (Ref:1651832)

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

But they came back with HSVDT didnt they?

Well if they have you'd hardly know it! They certainly haven't got Pirtek splashed all over the livery as SBR had.

peckstar · 10 Jul 2006, 02:31 (Ref:1651839)

they are on the front splitter down low on each corner. cant see that sponsorship being as much as the old one

RotorFan · 10 Jul 2006, 03:07 (Ref:1651852)

I can't recall many good battles that involved Marcos Ambrose. They all ended pretty quickly with another car (and/or his own) much worse for wear, or speared off the track. Think about that.

Interesting quote from Marcos on RPM yesterday "ive got alot to learn, to respect other drivers around me" (paraphrased). I'll let you draw your own conclusions from that.

BTW wasn't Courtney test driver for Toyota, not Jaguar?

peckstar · 10 Jul 2006, 03:18 (Ref:1651855)

interesting quote from another driver that marcos is racing against. paraphrased of course

a big shout out to marcos ambrose we battled for laps and he often got underneath me, but we didnt touch once, i was very impressed by the rookie.

think you might have selective memory rotor fan

MCWB · 10 Jul 2006, 03:32 (Ref:1651858)

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Originally Posted by RotorFan

BTW wasn't Courtney test driver for Toyota, not Jaguar?

No, he was a part of Jaguar's F3 team and tested their F1 car.

DAVID PATERSON · 10 Jul 2006, 04:35 (Ref:1651876)

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Originally Posted by RotorFan

BTW wasn't Courtney test driver for Toyota, not Jaguar?

You're thinking of Ryan Briscoe.

RotorFan · 10 Jul 2006, 11:29 (Ref:1652157)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

think you might have selective memory rotor fan

Not at all, I didn't hear that quote you mentioned. I've got no doubt Ambrose can race cleanly, he obviously has alot of skill. But its something he's had to learn to be better at, from his own admission. That was the point

To be more correct the quote was "you gotta learn to race ... respect the other guys you're around", my memory wasn't that great

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Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

You're thinking of Ryan Briscoe.

Right you are!

Average Punter · 13 Jul 2006, 20:16 (Ref:1655646)

Anyone else notice the pic of Marcos in the latest MNews? There he is, strapped into that Ute on Steroids, with sponsorship on his helmet from both Milligans Foods and Jeld Wen. Seems the ties to SBR haven't been cut just yet......

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