[Official] Italian Grand Prix 2017: Grand Prix Weekend Thread

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

The GP2/F2 race was a cracker,why can't F1 put on a show like that?.

Wasn't it just? Terrific stuff.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Could it be that the Williams performed so well because the old adage that "bad cars perform well in the wet". If the car is naturally not as stiff, it would be more forgiveable and be of benefit in the wet, but not helpful in the dry.

Or perhaps Mr Stroll is more talented than we have been led to believe, and that with Mr Massa arguably past his best, low percentage conditions will usually favour the brave....

[GTRMagic]

Meantime..

Engine Change For Van Doorne...

Go Honda..

[Razzzor]

SV isn't as good in the wet as the credit he gets. He seems to get it based on Monza 2008 but there's actually been plenty of races where SV was just average in the wet. He's a bit 50/50. Hamilton is the main driver who is always fast in the wet.

Alonso, Hulk not bad. Verstappen could have some good speed in the wet but too early to tell, give him a few more years and several more wet races so we can see how he goes.

So, rain the big equaliser... yet we've got Stroll way ahead of Massa the almost 2008 champ, Ocon way ahead of Perez, Vandoorne a few positions clear of the great one Alonso who's great in the wet. Hulk nowhere, the Ferrari's asleep. What an odd result. Except Hamilton and Verstappen 1-2.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Or perhaps Mr Stroll is more talented than we have been led to believe, and that with Mr Massa arguably past his best, low percentage conditions will usually favour the brave....

Or, "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."

[steve nielsen]

Max now starting the 13th race of the season from 13th in a RB13

hope he's not superstitious

[S griffin]

Well I'm glad Lewis broke the record by setting the fastest time, not by being inherited due to these same old penalties. And what a lap to do it in.

Despite the penalties, it's good to see Stroll and Ocon up there, Ocon can hopefully have a trouble free weekend and remind everyone what a future talent he is.

And after all Stoffel's efforts it's wasted by him getting a penalty...

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Max now starting the 13th race of the season from 13th in a RB13

hope he's not superstitious

nevermind, Perez got a gearbox penalty so Max now starts P12

[Mike Bell]

So has anyone got a penalty for having too many penalties yet?

If the race is dry, the mixed up grid should add some interest, as far as I am concerned. And congratulations to LH on getting the 'poles' record, that was a very impressive lap......

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

nevermind, Perez got a gearbox penalty so Max now starts P12

I don't understand. Here's what it says on F1.com

The final grid thus lines up:

1. Hamilton, 2. Stroll; 3. Ocon, 4. Bottas; 5. Raikkonen, 6. Vettel; 7. Massa, 8. Kvyat; 9. Magnussen, 10. Perez; 11. Ericsson, 12. Wehrlein; 13. Verstappen, 14. Hulkenberg; 15. Sainz, 16. Ricciardo; 17. Palmer, 18. Vandoorne; 19. Alonso, 20. Grosjean.

So Perez qualifies 11th, gets a 5 place penalty, so starts 10th?

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

So almost 1/3 of the drivers with grid penalties so far, with the possibility of more to come. This is just ridiculous! ()

Make that almost half of the drivers (9) with grid penalties that were out of their control. Ridiculous is being nice!!

[bjohnsonsmith]

A fairly clean and uneventful start, though some bodywork came off further down the field and what a difference a day makes, nice and sunny.

[Razzzor]

Jeez Alonso certainly didn't like Palmer not giving the position back, still going on about it several laps later even then Palmer is over a second a lap faster. What's the point of getting the position back, Palmer will only pass him again on the straight. Freds lost the plot lol

[billy bleach]

Magnussen. Really not the sharpest tool in the shed....

[bjohnsonsmith]

Congrats to Lewis, not the most scintillating race.

I can't remember hearing howls of derision from the Tifosi quite like that, directed at Hamilton.

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Magnussen. Really not the sharpest tool in the shed....

Indeed, how can a driver who had already passed you completely "force you off track"?

[GT6]

Well were the tifosi angry about the poor race, the lack of pace of the red cars or lewis winning, i think a bit of each

[steve_r]

Do Haas only emply drivers who whine and winge?

[F1Guy]

Race highlights...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LOPzsVsaA0

[RWill2073]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

You could be right there BJS.

STR was the only team using Brembo brakes at the time. At a track famous for being hard on brakes. The new Brembo brakes introduced for that weekend, according to STR at the time, were 'switched on' much better in the wet conditions. Something the other teams could not achieve with their brakes. STR had a better car set up than the others. Well done to STR.

But before we can talk of the race results, we should look at what happened the day before in qualifying. Quali was an absolute mess. With a mixed result. I mean.. Vettel had claimed pole ahead of Kovalainen, Webber, Bourdais in the other STR, and Rosberg in the Williams-Toyota. With the 'big boys' well down the order. That is nothing really to get too excited about. Well.. for me anyway.

When a team has two cars that both underperform to similar levels, as oppposed to say, one Ferrari qualifying 3rd and the other 8th, in rare conditions, I would chalk that up to the car more so than the driver. It wasn't as though vettel was embarrassed by his teammate. Your vendetta against vettel seems to he reaching fas33's against verstappen.

As for the race, it was dissapointingly boring. The mixed up starting grid had promise, but all it really did was let Hamilton and Bottas skip away. Ferrari has either taken a step backward of late or Mercedes have improved because Ferrari really hasn't looked to be on Mercedes level lately.

[RWill2073]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Do Haas only emply drivers who whine and winge?

I think Magnusson kind of had to for politics. Gets the race controls attention to look at it in race.

[RWill2073]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Congrats to Lewis, not the most scintillating race.

I can't remember hearing howls of derision from the Tifosi quite like that, directed at Hamilton.

Nice jab by Hamilton by saying it was better having a Mercedes engine rather than a Ferrari engine on the podium interview. I got a kick out of that. Way more entertaining than his usual patronizing of the *insert circuit here* fans.

[gert]

Originally Posted by wnut

Does anyone know what this refers to?

"Sadly, major issues with the timing system, not to mention the long delay in getting the session resumed, have taken the shine off what was a scintillating performance, not just by Hamilton, but Stroll, Ocon and the RedBull duo."

https://www.pitpass.com/60016/Hamilt...-pole-at-Monza

Are the published results accurate?

I think the issues with the timing system relate to Q3.

The positions in the overview in the top left corner of the screen were correct, as were the time differences to the then-current P1.
The laptime of the P1 driver was incorrect though. If he had a faster Q2 time then the Q2 time was displayed.
That was the case for Hamilton, Verstappen, Bottas when they got to P1, but not for Ricciardo when he had provisional pole (as he beat his Q2 time)

So, for Hamilton a 1:34 was displayed when he actually had a 1:37.
Hamilton's 1:34 was then bettered by Ricciardo with a 1:37 (slightly faster than Hamilton's 1:37).

That was ... odd ...

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by gert

I think the issues with the timing system relate to Q3.

The positions in the overview in the top left corner of the screen were correct, as were the time differences to the then-current P1.
The laptime of the P1 driver was incorrect though. If he had a faster Q2 time then the Q2 time was displayed.
That was the case for Hamilton, Verstappen, Bottas when they got to P1, but not for Ricciardo when he had provisional pole (as he beat his Q2 time)

So, for Hamilton a 1:34 was displayed when he actually had a 1:37.
Hamilton's 1:34 was then bettered by Ricciardo with a 1:37 (slightly faster than Hamilton's 1:37).

That was ... odd ...

Wouldn't have happened in Bernie's day.....

[S griffin]

What a drive by Lewis, the Honey Badger and Stroll, all on top of their cars today. Ocon as well

As for the Verstappen/Magnussen incident, I feel Kevin was late into the corner, but still Max maybe should have left a bit of leeway, as Kevin could have creamed into the back of him