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i agree. as an end goal from 3-5 years worth of concentrated investment and support, sure, a showcase formula is a good idea. and ultimately it’s hard to disagree with the women who point out it’s still opportunities to race that wouldn’t have been there otherwise. but as it is, it just shows a vast degree of obliviousness, both to the climate within the sport and to what women trying to enjoy racing or make a career out of it actually want.
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I don't understand the point of this discussion. They will not find enough lady-racers ready to drive these cars next year.
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List of female racers with single seater experience
Tatiana Calderon Simona de Silvretro Suzie Wolff Jamie Chadwick Alexandra Mohnpaupt Alexandra Marinescu Amanda Whitaker Katherine Legge Danica Patrick Sarah Kavanagh Giovana Amati Sophe Florech Marylyn Neiderhausen carra Schnreber Betskie Visser Hanna Zellers Ayla Agren Anna AiQulasi Veronica Crichha Angela Duroso Miki Kayona Al Iuiura Last edited by Rob29; 29 Oct 2018 at 08:40. Reason: found more names |
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There’s a lot more than that, but most of that list are far too old surely.
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As you say there are a lot more than that - but also some of those in that list have quite driving (Susie Wolff) and for others this series would be a backwards step from where they are now.
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Never heard of her.
Drivers I could imagine to compete in: Jamie Chadwick Tatiana Calderón Beitske Visser Julia Pankiewicz Marta GarcÃ*a Amna Al Qubaisi Irina Sidorkova Michelle Halder Carrie Schreiner Marylin Niederhauser Miki Koyama Vivien Keszthelyi Gosia Rdest Christina Nielsen Laura Kraihamer Jasmin Preisig Chelsea Angelo Sabre Cook Mikaela Ahlin-Kottulinsky Bianca Steiner |
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Tatiana C has already done eight years at F3/GP3 level without any real success. Another one won’t do any harm!
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As I understand it the promoter of this series is providing the cars-requirement for drivers is previous single seater experience-no mention of age limits?
If we add those with sports/Gt;TC;Caterhams;Karts;2CVs? we could name a lot more |
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Most of them can't have a competitive pace. This series will be a joke.
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I don't see the point. One sport where women can compete as equals and someone seems to think they need a series of there own where the inevitable jibe will be 'they only beat a bunch of other women'.
One of the few on the lists given who really seems to fit the target drivers is Jamie Chadwick, and I don't think she needs this series. Just put some of the funding her way for a 'proper; championship and watch her go. Media series, not motor race series. I guess someone will be making money out of this, or at least hoping to, and mainly it won't be the ladies on the grid. |
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I am sure there are women in the world who really believe they can compete as equals with men in F1. But history shows us that very, very few of them actually manage to do it. Of course people will argue it is due to lack of support. But isn't that applicable to men also? For every F1 driver there are more than 100 drivers with failed attempts. I think W Series needs to happen first before we can judge. |
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i’m kinda disappointed in some of the names on the list. i understand exactly why they’ve gone for it and have no beef with them for doing so but still... i expected more from them as seemingly smart, aware women. not totally sure supporting dare 2b different as well as this really goes hand in hand.
something i’m also not sure about is how little debate about this seems to be coming from women online. men have plenty to say, and it generally seems to be in support of women like pippa and sophia floersch who are strongly against it. you can’t deny the bonus of having 18 or whatever free or cheap drives suddenly on the market. but that doesn’t... negate the negatives. it’s a tricky one. i’d also like to hear more about how it’s going to be run. if it’s centrally, then they’ll need to do a heck of a lot of recruiting about now. who has the tyre contract, hankook or pirelli? how will testing work? and so on. |
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The latest I saw is there will be a reality show TV shoot out for seats, seems somewhat patronising to me.
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I am wondering would a better solution to promote women as drivers be to have a woman's class in F3 or F4?.
This would allow them to compete for overall honors and yet be class winners. It might have a disadvantage in terms of promotion. |
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That makes sense-as it seems FW & regional F3 are to be held at the same meetings why not merge the two?
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Is that a guessed figure? There is an ever larger number of female drivers in Junior karting. Most of whom deplore this "initiative".
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it's a shame dare 2b different is silent about this.
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What happens if a transgender driver turns up?...
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Let's not forget a transwoman won the 1957 Shelsley Hillclimb!
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Putting aside whether this series is a good idea or not for one moment, having now seen the "long list" of drivers, who on it do you think will make the final grid and who do you think will be at the sharp end if and when the series gets going. Personally i would love to see Alice Powell do well, proper racer in my opinion.
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