Matos to IPS?

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

As someone who liks both series

Err, this should say "likes" rather than the unhygienic alternative I have posted...

Anyways, I suggest we return to the topic in hand rather than squabbling again. It does none of us any favours, nor indeed the forum.

[sr230772]

lets it this way was losing hornish or what his name to the ips a bigger deal

[stradlin21]

Originally Posted by sr230772

lets it this way was losing hornish or what his name to the ips a bigger deal

what?

[stradlin21]

Originally Posted by luke

It has nothing to do with agreeing or not. If you never say anything positive about CC and always post negative stuff and only that, ie bashing/trolling.

Luke, get a grip mate, yourself and two others don't ever say anything postive about the IRL but do you see me, John or IC throwing a paddy? erm, nope! grow up

this section of the forum is badly slipping in standards recently

we are just commenting on Champ Car news and reports, negative or not, if you can't handle it, that's your problem

this is a discussion forum, for discussion, people will disagree with each other, if they don't then this place just becomes a news reporting site, i'm sure I speak for everyone there

[luke]

Originally Posted by stradlin21

Luke, get a grip mate, yourself and two others don't ever say anything postive about the IRL but do you see me, John or IC throwing a paddy? erm, nope! grow up

LOL ? What have I said negative about IRL? I rarely post in the IRL forum if I do it's usually race discussion. I'm balanced when it comes to both. There is a huge difference. Especially when I am not paid by a corporation. Anyway why take it offtopic stradders? This has nothing to do with this topic with Matos leaving the CC side of things.

[luke]

I will post on topic now and only as it didn't help previously going off.....Matos leaving the CC side really hasn't helped but this is how it is. CC has to have good news or something good happen what with the two bad shots in the two past days.

[D.R.T.]

I wouldnt be classifying Matos to IPS as to big of a loss in the ChampCar scheme of things.

Have we ascertained if the prize money rolls to Perrera ?

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

I wouldnt be classifying Matos to IPS as to big of a loss in the ChampCar scheme of things.

Have we ascertained if the prize money rolls to Perrera ?

Apparently that might happen.

[stradlin21]

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/indycar/42575/

here is the speedtv article regarding Matos dumping champ car in favour of the IPS

it is mentioned about Perrera getting the money but it's not confirmed and even if he did get it, would it actually help him

it also metions that Pagenaud has nothing for 2008, so much for the 'system'

[stradlin21]

apparently Matos was slated to go to rocketsports

what happens to that car now then?

what are we looking at for confirmed cars? 12?

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by stradlin21

it is mentioned about Perrera getting the money but it's not confirmed and even if he did get it, would it actually help him

Perrera has already been linked to a couple of teams. Namely Forsythe and Conquest. However as per the article, Walker was working on Rafa untill he ran out of time, so Perrera could have a leg up here.

Originally Posted by stradlin21

it also metions that Pagenaud has nothing for 2008, so much for the 'system'

You mean as opposed to past Atlantic champions in CART's hey day where they didnt a main series ride. The last couple of seasons has seen Rahal, Pagenaud, Legge and Zwolsman all graduate.

Keeping them there is the issue, but hey its more than what they were getting.

[stradlin21]

[QUOTE=D.R.T.]Perrera has already been linked to a couple of teams. Namely Forsythe and Conquest. However as per the article, Walker was working on Rafa untill he ran out of time, so Perrera could have a leg up here.



hmmmm, maybe

[D.R.T.]

We will both just have to hope Stradlin.

[stradlin21]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

As someone who liks both series (just about!) I have never found much wrong with Millers stuff. I don't always agree, but he's generally on the money.

Over time he has criticised both series, generally he has been right

i'm not so sure

he's open about his hatred for the IRL and Tony George and because of this I just cannot see how he can stay impartial

but beyond that he seems to have lost the plot in the last year or so and is lashing out all the over the place

is he on the money about this champ car article? perhaps, but it could just be another one of his over reactions

[sr230772]

so your not attacking champ cars are you stradlin21 you never are

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by stradlin21

he's open about his hatred for the IRL and Tony George and because of this I just cannot see how he can stay impartial

Is he, open about what you allege?

I have never seen the words "I hate the IRL".

Miller doesnt get along with George however that stems from his involvement in pressuring for the Indy Stay to severe its contract Miller.

[indycool]

That's Miller's "take" on his departure from the Star. If you read the reports in the paper on his grievance hearing, you'd know differently.

[D.R.T.]

Which paper was that reported in Indycool?

[indycool]

It was coverage of an arbitration hearing in the Indianapolis Star in which Miller's grievance of wrongful firing was denied. The subjects that the arbitrator ruled on had nothing to do with TG or the Speedway.

[JohnSSC]

I think over time, Miller's commentaries and reports have skewered both series when they deserved it. He has also commented positively when he thought they deserved it. I particularly remember his praise of Cotman at CC.

So when he takes on the issue of Matos, providing the detail he does, which I can compare to what Team Owner wrote initially (well before the announcement, let alone the Miller report). I think in this case we can be confident that he is pretty on-target.

...and that once again Team Owner is giving us the straight story.

[stradlin21]

yep, Team Owner was spot on

[indycool]

Agree, John SSC....in the Matos piece, he's quoting a lot of people....the real people involved are telling the story as much as he is.

[JohnSSC]

The thing with the quotes, IC, is that he has a variety of sources that are essentially saying the same thing. Since they are not in the same camp that lends additional credence to what he is writing.

[stradlin21]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

We will both just have to hope Stradlin.

i've used up all my hope on something else

but i'll try and cross my fingers

[climb]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

I wouldnt be classifying Matos to IPS as to big of a loss in the ChampCar scheme of things.

...

Probably, but this thread's main point is not how good he is, but how on Earth can it happen that a driver finds it convenient to give up a 2 millions prize from CC to switch to IRL

and BW now it's confirmed:

http://www.indycar.com/news/story.php?story_id=10413

Once again Team Owner was right