LMP2 Manufacturers and Engine Suppliers

[knighty]

yes it will be Mountunes Ford Duratec engine. They have been running this in 650bhp format in the X-games and rally cross for about 3 years now, so I expect it will have been derived from all those lessons learned.......so running it at circa 500bhp or so should not be a big task, but running for 6 to 24 hours in one stint might be a challenge.........last time I spoke to mountune was they were having trouble convincing the LMP customers that it is a legitimate LMP2 engine, despite being priced about 30% under the LMP2 price cap.......one to watch, I hope a few other teams start to run this engine, it will add a bit of variety, perhaps get Ford interested too..........As Mountune are Fords designated aftermarket tuner, they are very much in bed with each other.

[Mechanic Z]

Originally Posted by Mike E

New Pilbeam LMP2 announced. This story has been knocking about for a while.
Not sure about the base motor. Ford, maybe?

http://sportscar365.com/wec/new-pilb...-car-revealed/

Interesting to note that they already have a team/buyer lined up.
Also interesting, the render features Toyota-style fender-wings.

[TF110]

Lmp2 isnt allowed a full width rear wing, nor fender extensions. So the illustration should not be the look of the final car.

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by TF110

Lmp2 isnt allowed a full width rear wing, nor fender extensions. So the illustration should not be the look of the final car.

Are you sure about this ? I see nothing that prevents the "legal" rear wheel arch extensions "a la Toyota" to be used on LMP2s as well, but maybe I've missed something.

[TF110]

You must have missed it. Its stated in the rules under bodywork.

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by TF110

You must have missed it. Its stated in the rules under bodywork.

Thanks for pointing where exactly, that was of great help

But, you are correct, I've missed something.

The relevant provision appears to be in Article 3.4.5 which pertains to the mandatory cut-outs on top of the wheel arches and which reads (emphasis added):

Seen from the side:
LMP1 : no part of the bodywork around the rear wheel cut-outs may be higher than 725 mm from reference surface forward of the rear wheel centreline.
LMP2 : no part of the bodywork around the rear wheel cut-outs may be higher than 725 mm from reference surface.

Seen from the top:
LMP1: the area of limitation of 725 mm from the reference surface is defined as being in front of the rear axle centreline and more than 500 mm from the car centreline on both sides, with the exclusion of rear-view mirrors.
LMP2: the area of limitation of 725 mm from the reference surface is defined as being in front of the rearmost point of the cut-out in the rear wheel arch and more than 500 mm from the car centreline on both sides, with the exclusion of rear-view mirrors.
In addition, no part of the bodywork rearward of the rear wheel cut-out and more than 810 mm from the car centreline may be higher than 725 mm from the reference surface.

So, in contrast to LMP1s, the area of limitation of 725 mm applies, in the case of LMP2s, to all of the bodywork area around the rear wheel cut-outs.

In other words, the illustrations of the new Pilbeam LMP2 are either erroneous or Pilbeam have overlooked something (as I did...)

[TF110]

Long story short, lmp2 can not have full width rear wings nor wheel arch extensions.

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by TF110

Long story short...

Shall I take that as a compliment ?

Originally Posted by TF110

...lmp2 can not have full width rear wings...

That's not the point; neither can LMP1s...

Originally Posted by TF110

...nor wheel arch extensions.

That's the point of my previous "long story"

[TF110]

Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

Shall I take that as a compliment ?



That's not the point; neither can LMP1s...



That's the point of my previous "long story"

What? In 2014 the lmp1 cars do have full width rear wings (if they are going 1800mm). I wasn't complimenting you, I said the illustration isn't even a legal car.

[MyNameIsNigel]

Originally Posted by TF110

What? In 2014 the lmp1 cars do have full width rear wings (if they are going 1800mm).

Well, I was talking of the current LMP rules under which the rear wheel arch extensions are "legal" for LMP1s, but not for LMP2s. There is no point in referring to the 2014 rules which do not affect LMP2s. That's not the subject. Under the current 2013 rules, neither LMP1s nor LMP2s are allowed full-width rear wings. That was my point.

Originally Posted by TF110

I wasn't complimenting you...

I was well aware of that

[TF110]

The Pilbeam doesn't race this year but 2014, when they supposedly want to enter lmp2. I thought you understood that was what I was refering to since the Pilbeam rendering was the subject.

[C Shaw]

Originally Posted by pablocomics

Anyone knows what happened with the SCT LMP2 project?
http://www.sctsportscars.com/SCTindex.htm



Another unraced project to the list?

We are aggressively perusing this project but with that being said, there is not much business sense for serious involvement in the existing ACO regulated venues as they stand at this time. What we are working for is to provide race cars that are actually desired to be owned by a larger number of potential buyers. We have identified that there is a demand for cars that are more exciting than the market that Radical has been so successful with but yet are not so overly complex that the costs can still remain practical.

2014 will be a very exciting year for us and for Sport Prototype Racing in general. Be it single seat sport prototypes or two seat sport prototypes we are pursuing both configurations and our customers seam excited to not be shacked to the limited opportunities currently offered by IMSA and ACO.

It will all become more well publicized as the PRI Convention time draws near.

Thanks
C Shaw

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by C Shaw

C Shaw

Wait.....C Shaw...I've seen that somewhere before...

http://archive.dailysportscar.com/su...ms/alms478.htm

Can't be the same......can it???

Reactive Kinematics??

[jc_nl]

Nice catch!

A Shaw SCT-100 and the new SCT-43ST.......

The "new" "car" must be a winner indeed after 8 years of Reactive Kinematics development......

[Mike E]

Interesting possibility of converting the DP BMW V8 for LMP2 use.

http://www.racer.com/dinan-ready-for...rticle/319667/

[MyNameIsNigel]

First drawings of the new Tiga LM214 pop up thanks to endurance-info.com.



It's a bit confusing to see those "rear wheel arch extensions" on this other LMP2 project as well, like on the new Pilbeam LMP2
If these are not supposed to be allowed on LMP2s, then the ACO-FIA should promptly clarify this issue before all LMP2 manufacturers start designing new cars with this feature.

[Simmi]

They'd be better outlawing them until '15 or whenever the new cars come in. If not every P2 team will be forced into that expense.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Simmi

They'd be better outlawing them until '15 or whenever the new cars come in. If not every P2 team will be forced into that expense.

The problem is: With the designs of the older cars 'locked down' for a three year period, they would actually need a waiver from the ACO to even be allowed to update the older cars as performance upgrades to existing cars are specifically outlawed by the LMP2-regs.

[Gingers4Justice]

I hope Tiga and Pilbeam teams race in very different liveries on track - they almost look identical.

[Mike E]

At least they will sound different.

[Mike E]

This is a little off topic but AER's LMP2 motor has been selected for the new Indy Lights car. An engine designed to run and run must be useful for cost control. It will be de-tuned as well.

http://www.racer.com/indy-lights-ser...rticle/322778/

[HORNDAWG]

Strakka-Dome S103 Nissan P-2

http://www.strakkaracing.com/wp/?p=1370








L.P.

[knighty]

Originally Posted by Mike E

This is a little off topic but AER's LMP2 motor has been selected for the new Indy Lights car. An engine designed to run and run must be useful for cost control. It will be de-tuned as well.

http://www.racer.com/indy-lights-ser...rticle/322778/

now that's interesting!....good find!.......I think the Indy Lights boys made a wise decision there, that option is far more road relevant than just another NA engine, so more chance of getting a manufacturer to badge it.......looks like AER now have their hands full with V6 GP3 and this.....will be surprised if their new V6 LMP1 engine gets much attention.........this does seem the only way to make money in the race engine business, land a contract for full series engine supply rather than scratching around supplying engines to privateer teams with little hope and questionable funding.......look whats happened to Judd :-/

[Starfish Primer]

Are there any 2014 confirmed projects for the Roush Yates LMP2 engine?

[Koenigsegg]

Libra Racing, but you never know with them.

And the Pilbeam has a Roush Yates engine if I remember correctly, it will be raced by Zoo Racing.