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View Poll Results: Has GT3 failed? | |||
Yes | 16 | 27.59% | |
No | 42 | 72.41% | |
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26 Jun 2010, 08:34 (Ref:2718100) | #51 | ||
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Well someone needs to do something. Car costs are very high and continue to rise each year with teams needing expensive upgrades, or even brand new cars, to be competitive.
Ferrari challange cars with a wing sound like a real close competition to a 997 Cup, wonder if the ALMS will allow them to GTC, it'd possibly steal teams from a Grand Am run series. Aren't Super Trofeo Lambo's full GT3 spec? |
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26 Jun 2010, 08:56 (Ref:2718116) | #52 | |||||
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Here you can find some pictures from a Italian GTCup-race from last year: http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...09-05-31c.html |
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26 Jun 2010, 14:51 (Ref:2718234) | #53 | ||
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Cool, never knew that. I just hope the ALMS can do GTC expansion right, it has potential right now just needs sped up alittle and the teams given some nice sticky rubber to run on.
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26 Jun 2010, 22:24 (Ref:2718353) | #54 | ||
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In todays GT Open race the GT3 spec cars were able to race and beat some of the GT2 cars. For tomorrows race GT3 spec porsche GT3R is on the front row so it shows the GT3 cars if driven properley can be as fast if not faster than a GT2 car which seems abit daft to me.
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27 Jun 2010, 00:00 (Ref:2718365) | #55 | |
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It has sounded a lot like the ALMS is looking into how to integrate new GT3 type cars into the GT-C class, Atherton hinted at some cars being reviewed for the addition next year on the Sebring telecast this year. Would be nice to see them consider at least the Audi, Ferrari or Merc offerings.
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27 Jun 2010, 06:19 (Ref:2718389) | #56 | ||||
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Well, it looks like the Audi will rather show up in GT2:
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27 Jun 2010, 08:32 (Ref:2718412) | #57 | |
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I think that is wishfull thinking. The cars that will show up next year in ALMS will very likely be the R8 LMS in the GTC class.
Dr. Ullrich revealed that current/future projects of Audi Sport: R16 = R8 LMS, R17 = next DTM car and R18 = LMP1 for 2011. No mention of a GT2 car. |
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27 Jun 2010, 08:41 (Ref:2718413) | #58 | |||
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27 Jun 2010, 08:50 (Ref:2718416) | #59 | |||
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And IMSA has a history of allowing not fully rules-compliant cars in ALMS - just give them 47 or so waivers and they are good to go... |
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27 Jun 2010, 19:41 (Ref:2718841) | #60 | ||
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The car is 100 kg overweight: 1340 kg compared to 1245 for most GT2 cars. The engine of the GT3 R8 is road car version with a different exhaust system (race catalytic converters). They need to develop a proper race engine that is competitive with the air restrictors. Manufacturers tend to go for the maximum displacement for a given restrictor size. So Audi has probably to decide whether to go for 5.0 or 5.5 liter. It is not clear whether the GT3 aero (front splitter, rear spoiler, ...) is legal in GT2. I believe the rear wing is too big. So probably here is some work to be done as well. |
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27 Jun 2010, 19:56 (Ref:2718853) | #61 | |
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Reiter developed Lambo Gallardo GT2 engine?
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28 Jun 2010, 05:23 (Ref:2719072) | #63 | ||
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Just goes to show that the ACO is about as weak as IMSA...
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12 Apr 2011, 10:36 (Ref:2862328) | #64 | |||
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From time to time, I like to revisit this thread. This time an interesting quote from Jo Jamers made me do so. Jamers is the principal of First Racing, one of the top teams in Belcar, that is, however, sitting out this season:
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Can this even be true? Last edited by Speed-King; 12 Apr 2011 at 10:58. |
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12 Apr 2011, 13:22 (Ref:2862402) | #65 | ||
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I have been wondering about GT3 costs lately myself. With GrandAm wanting to adopt versions of GT3 cars, and the costs of GT3 supposedly increasing, I would have thought this went against the GA model.
Although, I wonder how bad costs really are. This year not only do we have all the national championships and the FIA GT3, but now we have the Blaincopan Series as well, so the costs must not be too prohibitive. |
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12 Apr 2011, 13:54 (Ref:2862424) | #66 | |||
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Been thinking about Jamers' comments for a bit: The only GT1s that ran in Belgium were Vipers, C5Rs and some homebuilt Turbo-Porsches. At least the Viper was produced in similar numbers as current GT3-cars... |
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12 Apr 2011, 17:45 (Ref:2862515) | #67 | ||
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GT3 started as "Performance balanced Cup Cars" and is now costly as a 2001-2004 GT2... which is a BIG difference, the good thing is that you can have a lot of variety in it, the bad one is that the prices are becoming a little bit crazy...
Until SRO will have a strong number of series supporting GT3 rules (VLN, 24h of Spa, Blancpain Endurance, ADAC GT and FFSA) they will survive quite good but the costs need to be controlled, in Italy we have THREE cars for the whole GT3 season (the rest of them is "performance balanced" cup cars from Lambo, Ferrari and Porsche... old 997, 430 and the Supertrofeo) British GT has always been a strange championship, SRO never really got it going, and there are so many other GT races (GT Cup, Britcar and so on) and so many different cars (TVRs, Marcos, Moslers, tuned M3s) that few people like to spend so much money to race a GT in a national championship |
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