CDW & RuSport

[indycool]

Some have been successful being based outside of Charlotte or Indy. Penske's Indy car operation was in Reading, Pa., for years. Truesports, then Tasman, then Rahal-Letterman, is in Dublin, Ohio. Bill Elliott's operation was in Dawsonville, Ga. N/H/L is in Chicago.

But the RuSports team was based in Denver at the convenience of Carl Russo, who is no longer a factor. Unless you have a really first-rate team, potential employees, crewmen, engineers, etc., are hesitant to leave the Indy or Charlotte "loops" where all their racing contacts are and all the racing cottage shops are.

But I agree with John SSC....the merger with Rocketsports didn't work, CDW is going away and even if RuSport moved to Indy, the same situation faces it...plus I can't imagine the headaches Petit still must have and the bad taste he must have in dealing with Gentilozzi for six months.

[JohnSSC]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

It does make your point less valid if you have no clue what you are talking about.

Sure a team can survive anywhere with modern tech and transport. The point is that it is easier to do so in those key areas. Rusport always had a hard time from the beginning attracting personnel because of it's location.

As I understood it, Rusports days in Denver were limited once the team was sold. A 3rd car at PKV is more likely.

That is awfully nice of you to say this, mountainstar! I suppose that the forum should institute a policy where card-carrying members of "The Business" should be given priority posting privileges so that the more informed opinions are not obscured by the miscellaneous ramblings of the Great Unwashed. We (The Great Unwashed) can just sit here by the hearth, hoping to be included in the conversation of our betters, knowing that what we say or think is quite likely to be invalid.

So, I have to ask: to demonstrate that one is in "The Business" is there a membership card and/or secret decoder ring? If so, I aspire to them! Perhaps there is also some sort of Initiation Ritual! How exciting!

So tell us, please, all you insiders, how we should think and what we should say, since we are obviously incapable of providing valid thoughts!

[luke]

[JohnSSC]

Gotta love those non-verbal responses...

[stradlin21]

Originally Posted by JohnSSC

That is awfully nice of you to say this, mountainstar! I suppose that the forum should institute a policy where card-carrying members of "The Business" should be given priority posting privileges so that the more informed opinions are not obscured by the miscellaneous ramblings of the Great Unwashed. We (The Great Unwashed) can just sit here by the hearth, hoping to be included in the conversation of our betters, knowing that what we say or think is quite likely to be invalid.

So, I have to ask: to demonstrate that one is in "The Business" is there a membership card and/or secret decoder ring? If so, I aspire to them! Perhaps there is also some sort of Initiation Ritual! How exciting!

So tell us, please, all you insiders, how we should think and what we should say, since we are obviously incapable of providing valid thoughts!

John, I also find mountainstars post incredibly snobbish, patronising and arrogant

If his views are to be listened to then ten tenths may as well be closed down to anyone who doesn't 'work in the business'.

Anyway, I think the RuSport situation has been exhausted here

Time to move on...

[fazzaz]

Reading all this, I have to suspect that Montainstar and a few others might be surprised by the positions held and backgrounds of some of the other members of this board.

[luke]

Originally Posted by fazzaz

Reading all this, I have to suspect that Montainstar and a few others might be surprised by the positions held and backgrounds of some of the other members of this board.

Like those employed at Indy and post negatives in this forum of CC?

[JohnSSC]

luke, there are folks here who, believe it or not, DON'T work at IMS or for the IRL, yet still are involved in motor racing of the single seat variety and have less than a happy view of CC.

I have always tried to treat what anyone else may write here with some measure of respect. Trying to "smear" people regarding where they work (as if working for CC, IRL, ALMS, Rolex, wherever is a bad thing) is just as invalidating as some member's attempts to invalidate the thoughts/opinions of others simply because they THINK the other person has no involvement in the sport themselves or at least wish to portray their own involvement as more than it is.

Interesting though that the first thing that some can think of as a response, is to be negative and to link that negativity to a rather facile attempt to link persons who do not have a cheery view of CC to employment with the IRL.

If that linkage is the case, then let me be the first to say: "I'm Spartacus!"

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by fazzaz

Reading all this, I have to suspect that Montainstar and a few others might be surprised by the positions held and backgrounds of some of the other members of this board.

No I'm well aware of that, what makes you think otherwise?

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by stradlin21

John, I also find mountainstars post incredibly snobbish, patronising and arrogant

If his views are to be listened to then ten tenths may as well be closed down to anyone who doesn't 'work in the business'.

Anyway, I think the RuSport situation has been exhausted here

Time to move on...

No I'm not a snob. I just tell it like it is.

Get the violins out.

[luke]

Originally Posted by JohnSSC

luke, there are folks here who, believe it or not, DON'T work at IMS or for the IRL, yet still are involved in motor racing of the single seat variety and have less than a happy view of CC.

I have always tried to treat what anyone else may write here with some measure of respect. Trying to "smear" people regarding where they work (as if working for CC, IRL, ALMS, Rolex, wherever is a bad thing) is just as invalidating as some member's attempts to invalidate the thoughts/opinions of others simply because they THINK the other person has no involvement in the sport themselves or at least wish to portray their own involvement as more than it is.

Interesting though that the first thing that some can think of as a response, is to be negative and to link that negativity to a rather facile attempt to link persons who do not have a cheery view of CC to employment with the IRL.

If that linkage is the case, then let me be the first to say: "I'm Spartacus!"

Right....I didn't say that, I'm not saying you because you post negative CC stuff all the time is from somewhere and others I wasn't naming no names. But there is a member from IMS here who always posts negative CC news. Not saying who he is but to attack mountainstar as Stradlin did with calling him arrogant, and a snob etc is just plain out wrong and can't see what it contributes to this CDW/RuSPORT thread. that is all.

[stradlin21]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

No I'm not a snob. I just tell it like it is.

Get the violins out.

no mate, you are!

Either way, there isn't much point in alot of us being here according to your posts!

[D.R.T.]

Why lower yourself to name calling, Stradlin ?

I would hope the moderators take a look at this.

[stradlin21]

Oh man!

Whats the point?

[stradlin21]

Originally Posted by JohnSSC

luke, there are folks here who, believe it or not, DON'T work at IMS or for the IRL, yet still are involved in motor racing of the single seat variety and have less than a happy view of CC.

I have always tried to treat what anyone else may write here with some measure of respect. Trying to "smear" people regarding where they work (as if working for CC, IRL, ALMS, Rolex, wherever is a bad thing) is just as invalidating as some member's attempts to invalidate the thoughts/opinions of others simply because they THINK the other person has no involvement in the sport themselves or at least wish to portray their own involvement as more than it is.

Interesting though that the first thing that some can think of as a response, is to be negative and to link that negativity to a rather facile attempt to link persons who do not have a cheery view of CC to employment with the IRL.

If that linkage is the case, then let me be the first to say: "I'm Spartacus!"

There is also people here John that like to stir things up and get people into trouble

I'm not involved in motorsport but does that mean that my opinion is not valid? Does that mean i'm clueless?

According to some people then yes! But i'm not bothered about that

I call what I see straight down the middle, whether it's the IRL or Champ Car, that's all I like to do.

If I think there is negative things going on in the IRL I will say so, if I think there is negative things going on in Champ Car I will say so. I'm not blind to the problems of either series but I do have clear support for one of them, but so does everyone else here!

I'm sure that we can all get along, after all, one day, i'm sure that both these series will be back together again........however that might happen....

[emjaya]

Originally Posted by JohnSSC

luke, there are folks here who, believe it or not, DON'T work at IMS or for the IRL, yet still are involved in motor racing of the single seat variety and have less than a happy view of CC.

I have always tried to treat what anyone else may write here with some measure of respect. Trying to "smear" people regarding where they work (as if working for CC, IRL, ALMS, Rolex, wherever is a bad thing) is just as invalidating as some member's attempts to invalidate the thoughts/opinions of others simply because they THINK the other person has no involvement in the sport themselves or at least wish to portray their own involvement as more than it is.

Interesting though that the first thing that some can think of as a response, is to be negative and to link that negativity to a rather facile attempt to link persons who do not have a cheery view of CC to employment with the IRL.

If that linkage is the case, then let me be the first to say: "I'm Spartacus!"

There is a big difference between working for the IRL, Champcar, ALMS or Grand AM and posting on forums and being paid to troll Champcar forums by the IMS as indycool is being paid to do.

[stradlin21]

[QUOTE=emjaya]There is a big difference between working for the IRL, Champcar, ALMS or Grand AM and posting on forums and being paid to troll Champcar forums by the IMS as indycool is being paid to do.[/QUOTE


Because no Champ Car fans troll IRL forums do they?!

[JohnSSC]

To be honest, as marcus would tell you, I am an equal opportunity realist. I call it as I see it and then discuss from there. That is what a forum is all about.

Personally, I have neither the time nor the inclination to try to "out" anyone. Someone makes a point, fair enough, then I may/may not counter that.

One of the reasons why I post here rather than some other fora where personal attacks seem to be Numero Uno in their FAQs is because everyone here gets a fair shot - the mods do a pretty good job of ferreting out the trolls. Besides, should where someone works determine whether they can post or not?

To me, the "threat" from those paid to troll is greatest at the fora where the viewpoint is ardently pro one side or the other. I don't see that happening here.

That said, invalidating what someone else says because they are perceived not to be motorsport savvy or because of one's own inflated notion of where they stand "in the business" is essentially crap.

I am not a chef, but I know a good meal when I have one. Same goes for racing. I may not be a Team Principle, but I know when I see something that doesn't add up.

[stradlin21]

Originally Posted by emjaya

There is a big difference between working for the IRL, Champcar, ALMS or Grand AM and posting on forums and being paid to troll Champcar forums by the IMS as indycool is being paid to do.

Oh DRT look!

Someone called someone else a name!

Are you going inform the mods about this as well?

Nice post John, I just wish more people saw it your way...

[luke]

Originally Posted by stradlin21

I call what I see straight down the middle, whether it's the IRL or Champ Car, that's all I like to do.

Yes I remember when you said you can't wait to see CC die. Please don't make me laugh!

[luke]

Originally Posted by stradlin21

Because no Champ Car fans troll IRL forums do they?!

There's none at Ten tenths.

[stradlin21]

Originally Posted by luke

Yes I remember when you said you can't wait to see CC die. Please don't make me laugh!

How does that mean I don't call things down the middle Luke?


I want to see Bradford Bulls lose at Rugby League every week because I am a Leeds Rhinos fan but I can still call their games down the middle

As usual Luke, your comments make no sense

[stradlin21]

Originally Posted by luke

There's none at Ten tenths.

And you know that for sure Luke?

And you also know for sure that there is people paid to troll champ car forums?

Funny how you think it can only work one way isn't it

Best take those rose tinted specs off mate

[luke]

Originally Posted by stradlin21

And you know that for sure Luke?

And you also know for sure that there is people paid to troll champ car forums?

Funny how you think it can only work one way isn't it

Best take those rose tinted specs off mate

I didn't said anyone is paid, although I know where people are on this forum and it isn't as black and white as it looks.

[luke]

Originally Posted by stradlin21

How does that mean I don't call things down the middle Luke?

Because you have never posted anything positive about CC and you have said multiple times you hope this series dies. I must be crazy to think you call things down the middle....

As usual Luke, your comments make no sense

Right and I guess what you said above does? I need to a glass....of...