Who's gone, Raikkonen or Massa? - Page 3

HughGJohnson · 6 Jul 2009, 14:52 (Ref:2496648)

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Originally Posted by elspethhardie

I object he is only a year older than me and I am most certainly not quickly becoming middle-aged

...to drive a formula 1 car?

Marbot · 6 Jul 2009, 15:05 (Ref:2496660)

It should be noted at this point that Nigel Mansell has not officialy retired.

djinvicta · 6 Jul 2009, 18:19 (Ref:2496743)

Its all a load of guess work really. Who knows?? Webber could go to Ferrari; There are some on here think hes worthy...Ergo Alonso to Red Bull to partner Vettel.

jab · 6 Jul 2009, 18:50 (Ref:2496759)

Mark is not worthy of Ferrari. He's better

djinvicta · 6 Jul 2009, 19:15 (Ref:2496775)

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Originally Posted by jab

Mark is not worthy of Ferrari. He's better

Trying to understand the comment; As youve said Raikkonen has underperformed at Ferrari, perhaps Webber has under performed at Red Bull
How can a driver can be too good for Ferrari? Most "dream" of driving for the prancing horse as a pinnacle of their racing career. Your man may never reach that pinnacle if Vettel has his way..

Mr V · 6 Jul 2009, 19:28 (Ref:2496791)

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Originally Posted by jab

Mark is not worthy of Ferrari. He's better

I know exactly what you mean, afterall, their unworthy drivers only have 28 wins, 85 podium's, 855 points, 31 poles, 47 fastest laps and 1 WDC between them.

I'd much rather go with Mark

djinvicta · 6 Jul 2009, 19:33 (Ref:2496797)

Mark who??

strider · 6 Jul 2009, 21:44 (Ref:2496892)

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Originally Posted by jab

Mark is not worthy of Ferrari. He's better.

Absolutely right, and the moon really is made of cheese.

Super Hans · 6 Jul 2009, 21:55 (Ref:2496904)

I think (I hope) that Jab was being tongue-in-cheek.

**Bononi** · 6 Jul 2009, 23:05 (Ref:2496937)

Ah...I guess so.

jab · 7 Jul 2009, 11:55 (Ref:2497223)

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

I think (I hope) that Jab was being tongue-in-cheek.

Of course I was

That said, I'd rather him stay at Red Bull for now given their respective pecking order positions

scoobiesnoop · 7 Jul 2009, 20:53 (Ref:2497500)

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Originally Posted by HughGJohnson

You said Alonso to Ferrari is most likely if Raikkonen leaves. Well, that’s a big if and it’s debatable whether Alonso is the most likely replacement.

Obviously it's IF KR leaves for pastures new. But unless I've missed something in the past 2 or 3 years, Alonso is considered the best 'pound for pound' driver on the grid right now. Sure Vettel is an exceptional talent but he also has a good head on his shoulders. If you move to THE team too early, what's to look forward to?? Plus RBR are pretty competetive right now (although that could change) so why move from a team that is very obviously on the up? Most people in F1 circles think that the Alonso/Ferrari marriage is inevitable in the next few years so I imagine if KR does decide he wants to go drive a different series at the end of this year, Ferrari would be mad NOT to try to get Alonsos bum on the seat.

Of course you could be right and Button might take the seat or Rosberg or Webber or Piquet or Takuma Sato. It is after all just speculation.

p261brm · 8 Jul 2009, 08:04 (Ref:2497645)

Who cares?

HughGJohnson · 8 Jul 2009, 10:49 (Ref:2497712)

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Originally Posted by scoobiesnoop

Obviously it's IF KR leaves for pastures new. But unless I've missed something in the past 2 or 3 years, Alonso is considered the best 'pound for pound' driver on the grid right now. Sure Vettel is an exceptional talent but he also has a good head on his shoulders. If you move to THE team too early, what's to look forward to?? Plus RBR are pretty competetive right now (although that could change) so why move from a team that is very obviously on the up? Most people in F1 circles think that the Alonso/Ferrari marriage is inevitable in the next few years so I imagine if KR does decide he wants to go drive a different series at the end of this year, Ferrari would be mad NOT to try to get Alonsos bum on the seat.

Of course you could be right and Button might take the seat or Rosberg or Webber or Piquet or Takuma Sato. It is after all just speculation.

TGF left the 2 time reigning CWC for THE team when they were in all but schambles. Wins and championships to look forward to? How long should Vettel wait? Until he loses interest like Raikkonen? Of course Ferrari would like to have Alonso, but my point is that it won't work out logistically. But you're welcome to 'disagree' with 'my opinions' about Alonso being a bad driver, Ferrari not wanting him and the 'fact' that Piquet and Sato are up for the seat.

Mr V · 8 Jul 2009, 13:34 (Ref:2497771)

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Originally Posted by HughGJohnson

You said Alonso to Ferrari is most likely if Raikkonen leaves. Well, that’s a big if and it’s debatable whether Alonso is the most likely replacement.

I don't think it's a case of Fernando joining Ferrari when Kimi leaves, it think it's more likely Kimi leaving to make way for Fernando.

As for Vettel to Ferrari, i'm sure it will happen, but not yet. I'll bet Red Bull have him under a tight contract, and where are BMW in all this when it comes to his contract? The other thing is, with a year or two left on his Red Bull contract, why leave yet? It's a more attractive seat atm than the Ferrari.

HughGJohnson · 8 Jul 2009, 15:13 (Ref:2497802)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

I don't think it's a case of Fernando joining Ferrari when Kimi leaves, it think it's more likely Kimi leaving to make way for Fernando.

As for Vettel to Ferrari, i'm sure it will happen, but not yet. I'll bet Red Bull have him under a tight contract, and where are BMW in all this when it comes to his contract? The other thing is, with a year or two left on his Red Bull contract, why leave yet? It's a more attractive seat atm than the Ferrari.

There you go. Vettel will probably go to Ferrari. Vettle will probably NOT go for at least another year. Raikkonen is under contract (as well Massa) through next year. As I said in a previous post something has to give.

Everyone keeps saying Alonso to Ferrari for sure. I said what about Vettel? Nobody has disagreed with that so far. Everyone seems to think that is a foregone conclussion as well. I pointed out that there's almost no way they'd get paired together and everyone seems to agree. HOW IS ALONSO TO FERRARI GOING TO HAPPEN? What is going to give? Will Ferrari really buy out Raikkonen to get Alonso for one measly year, ok maybe 2? Will they lock up Alonso long term and wait, say 4, 5 years for Vettel? Or, is everyone banking on Raikkonen just quiting? Even then, how long would they keep Alonso over Vettel?

It's a fine idea, it makes sense at first glance. But, I keep asking how is it going to work?

All I'm hearing is Alonso in, Raikkonen out. There is no source. Only people 'in the know'. There's no elaboration, no explanation. Everyone is just brushing Raikkonen aside. If anyone thinks that Alonso's in instead of Vettel speak up. But, for the people who have Alonso and Vettel driving for Ferrari please explain. When and how will Raikkonen leave? Then, if Ferrari wants Vettel how are they going to work that? Why force out one champ (perhaps at great cost) to bring in another as a stop-gap?

djinvicta · 8 Jul 2009, 19:28 (Ref:2497909)

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Originally Posted by p261brm

Who cares?

No one else has said it; But probably Kimi; Alonso; Vettel; Button; Massa; Webber?? Well, maybe not..

Mr V · 9 Jul 2009, 01:08 (Ref:2498069)

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Originally Posted by HughGJohnson

HOW IS ALONSO TO FERRARI GOING TO HAPPEN? What is going to give? Will Ferrari really buy out Raikkonen to get Alonso for one measly year, ok maybe 2?

Maybe Ferrari won't buy Kimi out, but maybe Santander will? Don't forget that Santander went to McLaren as part of the Alonso to McLaren package, now they are going to Ferrari for 2010.

Chatters · 9 Jul 2009, 09:24 (Ref:2498200)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

It should be noted at this point that Nigel Mansell has not officialy retired.

**Bononi** · 9 Jul 2009, 11:32 (Ref:2498268)

Official ? I guess it will be. Ferrari will have Felipe Massa and Fernando Alonso in 2010, even if Raikkonen doesn't want to leave : http://www.estadao.com.br/estadaodeh...mp400138,0.php

F1Pete · 9 Jul 2009, 12:48 (Ref:2498312)

In english:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...09095140.shtml

That's right, I wondered who would buy out KR's contract if this is true....Santander. Won't cost Ferrari a thing.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to hang on to Kimi until the end of his contract and buy out Massa instead? Then we could have another "team" rivalry. I know Kimi couldn't care less who drove alongside him, but sucky Alonso sure would.

jab · 9 Jul 2009, 12:59 (Ref:2498324)

Wow, that's not even Kimi retiring. That's a dismissal

Mr V · 9 Jul 2009, 13:27 (Ref:2498341)

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Originally Posted by F1Pete

I know Kimi couldn't care less who drove alongside him, but sucky Alonso sure would.

Felipe beat Kimi last season and is currently leading him again this year, I'm sure that Fernando would fear Felipe more than Kimi.

HughGJohnson · 9 Jul 2009, 13:36 (Ref:2498347)

Thank you! At least we're answering some questions now. On the subject of sponsors, wasn't ING planning on following Alonso after their Renault contract expires this year? Or was that before the economy tanked?

BTW...What happens with Ferrari and Vettel if Santander buys out Raikkonen and goes to Ferrari with Alonso? And where does this leave Marlboro?

strider · 9 Jul 2009, 13:37 (Ref:2498349)

<----- Well, if that's how it is I am obliged to change my avatar to show my support for Kimi.

I'm sure the Robertsons will make very sure that he receives every single dollar to which he is entitled.

I'm looking forward to Spa with more anticipation than usual this year. Kimi admits that it is his favourite circuit, although the race he would most like to win is Monza.

That's very unlikely this year, but it would be hilarious if due to unforeseen circumstances he were to win, leaving Ferrari to announce that he won't be around next season.

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