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For the record the changes after the World Motor Sport Council meeting have been posted by the FIA here: http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press...181006-01.html
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two day events are a good idea, 2 hour races are ok if they only had to make 1 stop (which they would make because they need fuel). 2 manditory pitstops (ie manditory pitstops) make the series a joke series. They are just an artificially way of creating overtaking (and it dosen't work)
engine changes rule is good (but they could have said 2 or even 1) but the big teams will always spend the same just on something else. |
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Theres no denying hte series took a step back this season without the FIA WTCC support, plus the lack of 550's and Listers. Zackspeed are the kind of team that switch Championships season to season, while Vitaphone could easily run in the LMS or DTM (support or main event). The long haul events have been ditched, so why not take advantage and run to GT3 regs. As the GT3 regs don't appear to be set in stone, there could be a few tweaks to speed the cars up slightly, without dramatically increasing costs. |
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Manufactuers will be steered to P1 and away from P2, but specialist manufactuers (Lola, Zytek etc.) will still be able to compete against 'road car' manufactuers in the 2010 P1 class, at least thats what I was told when I enquired. |
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As for teams not being interested in a series that does not expand beyond Europe, isn't that the point, a European Le Mans series, in addition to Le Mans. If a team wants a fly away event they can compete in the biggest market of all, the US, and the ALMS. A European season capped by Sebring and PLM/Laguna has a nice ring to it. The only other market of serious interest to sportcar teams at this time is the far east, specifically China and Japan. Are races in Dubai and Brazil of interest to European teams? The quality of teams? You can argue about that all day long, I'll just ask what state FIA GT would be in if any two of Vitaphone, GLPK, BMS or Zackspeed left? Finally, you ask whether teams would be interested in being a 'sideshow' to the prototypes in the LMS, I'd simply point you to the ALMS and the media and fan interest generated by the Corvette vs Aston battles this season. I have watched a lot of GT1 racing this year, but most of that has been in the ALMS, not FIA GT. Last edited by JAG; 18 Oct 2006 at 20:41. |
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2010 is far off, I wonder just what crystal ball, they are starring at.
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Can't grumble about it till I've seen it. I'd imagine a two hour race could work, but also can't see the plan behind the pitstops - makes it a bit like an extra-long DTM race.
With everyone used to weak little 2 hour races...be interesting to see them suddenly handle Spa. |
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They aren't trying to expamd their calendar therefore that is irrelevant The don't have good promotion and good attendance at most events in FIA GT - They have crowds which very wildly. No the LMS crowds are poor too - but they will be better with the manufacturer euros that are about to pour in - Even if you go down the road of "The FIA GT has lots of manufacturers" those manufacturers are doing little or nothing to drive crowds through the gate. If you are seriously trying to say that Larbre aren't at the level of BMS and that LNT and Autorlando aren't at the level of Scuderia Ecosse and Ebimotors then I'm happy to say that your opinion is wrong. Both series have good, mediocre and poor teams Not every team is looking for TV coverage - Sadly for the FIA GT Championship several of their GT! teams are looking for it and not getting it in the most important markets for them Surely by now everyone here is beyond judging the strength of championships for the following year on the basis of rumoured entries. Your assumption also doesn't take into account the possibility that 2006 teams will drop out. |
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But it is, at the very least, an acknowledgement that the championship is in trouble. It could even be construed as an admission of defeat. Ratel's clearly struggling to hold the thing together. Whether these measures will be anywhere near enough to turn things around remains to be seen. I think we'd all like to have a flourishing FIAGT championship, but I have my doubts that we ever will if Ratel continues in this vein. Perhaps we need to look a little more closely at the results of the poll which our Italian friends presented to us for some of the answers. |
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But 2 mandatory stops! Please define "stop", do we mean come to a halt, do we mean stop the engine and restart, do we mean stationary for 10 seconds, 20 seconds, 30 seconds. Strategy becomes limited when you do this and I tend to agree that it is to allow the teams to run three drivers at no disadvantage so you can bet on a time definition. C*** in my opinion. No mention of drivers qualifications, can you run two/three pro's? What if you run one top pro, 2 hours is no problem for a top driver, he does his two mandatory stops, runs minimum fuel all the time, Michelin tyres will run all the race. How many team managers were consulted? We are going backwards and with the news that TWI are to link the TV for the 24 hours to the LMS series and so be able to negitiate a better deal the LMS will be the winner. But lets be honest about the reason the for the strength of the LMS, it is that guaranteed entry that brings the teams and when it comes to how many races it becomes a cost - benefit question, how much will you pay to win a guaranteed place at Le Mans? |
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I would say that there is no denying the Le Mans 24 hours has a huge influence on what happens in sports car racing. It is "The Big Race" and everyone wants to be there. It has survived being part of an FIA championship and running outside of the FIA. The ACO brought in the four classes and then started the LMS with guaranteed entries for the top two in each class. This has created a very popular series with vast grids racing a proper endurance length at each venue even though sometimes, it seems the ACO doesn't seem to have much interest in it!! The trouble with the FIA GT is almost because its run as an FIA championship. I've always had the feeling that the ACO doesn't care much for the FIA. I've enjoyed watching all the FIA GT races this year on Bravo 2 and I'm disappointed that they seem to want to revert to a two hour format with two pitstops. Two hours is like a sprint race to me and perhaps thats what it should be with only pitstops if you need it. "Ball outs" sports car racing for two hours could be quite good and might appeal to drivers as an alternative to the six hour endurance of the LMS. Make sure the two series don't clash so teams could run in both. Why aren't the regs the same for both series anyway as I get the impression there are detail differences. In fact make the FIA GT a sprint format and give the Spa 24 Hours over to the LMS! Two 24 hour races in one season. Nick |
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How many team managers were consulted? QUOTE] All GT1 Team managers had been asked about their wishes. |
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That's what i don't understand. If the german based teams want a 2 hour format, because they think this will help secure a tv deal they're mistaken imho. There wont be any coverage on the public channels, ARD already makes a mess of the DTM. The private channels won't show it if TGF isn't in it and DSF can't be called a sports channel anymore. They do everything the cheap way. And Eurosport is Eurosport, it's europewide coverage or nothing at all. And for pay tv like Premiere it should'nt matter if it is 2, 3 or 6 hours per race because only the fans will pay for it, not the casual viewer. |
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Highlights packages are also just as important as live coverage. Last edited by JAG; 19 Oct 2006 at 19:55. |
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does that mean lms races live in the uk next year? (assumedly on motorstv?) 3 hour highlight packages are just not enough.
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I woudnt count on the races being live on Motors TV, not unless Motors TV have a big change of heart and decide to dump the DTM and BTCC. Traditionally these series tend to attract more viewers. Perhaps though Sky Sports will cover the events live? They did with the ELMS after all.
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Being a French station, Motors TV may well choose LMS over BTCC/DTM, at least showing the start/finish live. |
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Motors TV UK though JAG does often get a differnt TV schedule to mainland Europe. I see no reason why Motors TV UK would switch from live BTCC coverage to live LMS coverage. It would simply lose them viewers and people would just switch over to ITV. The DTM however woudnt be as much of a issue perhaps.
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Live would be best but I don't care if they show the race at 3am monday morning as long as I get the full 6 hours / 1000km's.
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Someone points out the comment that "All GT1 team managers were consulted", seems GT2 team managers must just do as they are told! Fine, thanks a bunch GT2, now just go away and play with your little cars until the grown ups have decided what is best for you |
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