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3 May 2021, 14:13 (Ref:4049410) | #51 | ||
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3 May 2021, 17:25 (Ref:4049463) | #53 | ||
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That was funny.
Although I don’t really see the comparison to Mazepin, other than both situations were related to blue flags. Goes to show how unusual it is for Red Bull to have two cars near the front recently and also how slow Perez was going at that point. But I don’t want to distract from the humor of the moment. |
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I think Mercedes made a serious strategy error. Letting Perez get the fastest lap point wouldn't be much of a problem to Mercedes. But then they stopped Bottas for a go at Fastest Lap and that opened a gap for Verstappen to do the same. It was only Verstappen"s error due to pushing too hard that saved that point for Mercedes.
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3 May 2021, 23:03 (Ref:4049517) | #56 | ||
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One is spacial awareness, using your mirrors and looking at the flag marshals. In a situation that happens a lot to you. I think Mazepin is even more used to being lapped than spinning.
The other is knowing what position a driver who you’ve not seen all day is in. One who is as likely to be one lap down as being in the lead because he’s running an unusual strategy. Indeed Lewis was looking at the flag marshals, unlike Mazepin, and wondered why, had the presence of mind to get on the radio and query why and then be informed of the situation. It’s tenuous comparison at best. It’s not important though. However it was funny. Last edited by Adam43; 3 May 2021 at 23:08. |
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I don't have a problem with "track limits" per se. Just the shambolic and inconsistent way they are policed. Broadly, there are three possible solutions:
1. Let the drivers drive off the track wherever and whenever they like, without penalty. 2. Rigidly apply penalties whenever a car goes outside the white line that defines the track. 3. Re-engineer the tracks so that there is a definite and clearcut natural penalty for going beyond track limits. (The barriers do the job wonderfully at Monaco, and the drivers show that they can drive within track limits when they are required to.) |
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Difficulty, as highlighted by CH the tracks have to cope with bikes and cars so the kerbs can't be too much of a penalty. Also the lack of grass or gravel is due to the possibility that a car leaving the circuit at speed will become airborne and/or roll. I don't think bike like gravel either. |
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It is, however, the (in)consistency which matters. As mentioned above, Donington, Oulton Park and Brands Hatch (definitely) plus Snetterton (possibly?) have sensors with cameras pointing at them at the major track limits zones. In Donington's case - exit of Redgate, exit of the Old Hairpin, exit of Mcleans and I think at the exit of the final corner, Robert's. There is no disputing the photos - they're available to the clerk within a few seconds of being taken. If that can be applied at a historic meeting or in a novice's race at a club meeting, plus in the BTCC, I can't see it being too hard to adopt internationally. Saying that... HM's words have been very carefully chosen. He's making it look like the FIA have deliberately taken positions/points/wins and therefore money away from his team by the application of a rule with which he (at this time) disagrees. If it was Mercedes being penalised, I expect he'd be rather quieter about it... |
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I think that Helmut has a fair point when the Merc driver goes off the track 29 times in the race, and Max goes off once and has to keep the place back. No lasting advantage, really? |
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4 May 2021, 11:39 (Ref:4049590) | #64 | ||
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The track limit stuff should be sorted before race
Understand at Imola they changed rules half way through race so the Marko remark is irrelevant. Turn14 was stated as one of the corners being checked in Portugal so it’s a sod but he did get an advantage and probably the difference between his time and Bottas? In golf it’s called the rub of the green and over the season it should even out. LH will perceive he gets screwed somewhere as will Max. It’s called sport. |
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4 May 2021, 13:04 (Ref:4049610) | #65 | |
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I said before, just put a deterrent in places drivers are likely to gain an advantage by running wide. And to think it was a lot more clear cut when drivers only gained advantages from cutting chicanes
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4 May 2021, 15:22 (Ref:4049645) | #66 | ||
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Y'know, I've lost count of the number of laps I've done around there and never thought of it as a bike circuit. That said if you look at where the track limits problems appear there is tarmac run off before the gravel.
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4 May 2021, 19:15 (Ref:4049709) | #67 | ||
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As an aged club driver I agree that (a)consistency is needed and also (b) that if Mr Palmer can provide instant photographic evidence of triggering a sensor it shouldn't be beyond the the capability of the organisers of "the pinnacle of the sport"
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4 May 2021, 20:36 (Ref:4049721) | #68 | ||
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There were 18 lap times deleted for running wide in the race 7 lap times deleted for running wide in qualifying 88 lap times deleted for running wide in practice But somehow because Max loses a point it’s unfair and inconsistent..... |
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The 1 day headline of VB denying him of his 100th pole clearly doesnt bother him.
A driver needs to take the long approach to these overpacked seasons. |
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What do you guys think about applying a 1.5m strip of low grip surface directly next to the kerb, it being grass, gravel astroturf or whatever is found most suitable? 1.5m would seem barely seem enough to flip a bike over, especially when a suitable surface is chosen. I would see the following advantages: 1 Automatically penalized without need to for the director to intervene or us or teambosses to get upset about anything. 2 Does take much room 3 Is not unsafe for bikes 4 Does not brakes cars like Austrian sausages 5 It's cheap to realize. 6 Errors are penalized but are not directly race ending (might be seen as positive or negative depend of ones POV. |
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Yes the grip would need to be chosen such that it is always the slower and more risky option than staying on the track/kerb. It would turn the track into track again. Meaning that you have the track (the tarmac) and then you have your margin of error; the kerb. That's it. The farther you decide to use the kerb the more risk of loosing it (like it used to be). Now it's more like, yeah I go over the kerb and end up somewhere beside the track and well, we'll see what happens. Quote:
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Max is now hoping for better run off solutions
https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-ve...mits-solution/ |
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