[Team] Red Bull: Unbullievable

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Tread lightly! We are one step from discussing the demographics of Belgium!



Richard

What else do we have to do for the summer break? The forum may need to follow their lead and shut down for a couple weeks as well or it will go sideways quickly.

[steve nielsen]

Gasly replaced by Albon from
Belgium on.

[crmalcolm]

So they've got a Brit and a Belgian now?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Gasly replaced by Albon from
Belgium on.

Story Here

[steve_r]

I'm not sure about this. Gasly was very good least year, but obviously struggling this year in the main team. But putting a rookie into the seat is not an ideal solution.

If Verstappen (who is on fire right now) convincingly beats Albon (which he should), then what are Red Bull going to do next? They will then have a choice of three already rejected drivers on their books.

[VIVA GT]

I didn't think that anything was supposed to be happening in F1 at the moment? I thought it was an enforced shut down, or is that just on the engineering side?

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by steve_r

I'm not sure about this. Gasly was very good least year, but obviously struggling this year in the main team. But putting a rookie into the seat is not an ideal solution.

If Verstappen (who is on fire right now) convincingly beats Albon (which he should), then what are Red Bull going to do next? They will then have a choice of three already rejected drivers on their books.

they expect Max to beat Albon, they also expect Albon to stay closer to Max than Gasly did(since Gasly was lapped by Max on more than 1 occasion and even struggled to overtake midfield cars)

[karting]

Originally Posted by karting

I have a friend who works at RedBull and he’s saying Albon is there right now having a seat fitting.

2001/1 on William hill to win at Spa. Worth a fiver

Who else listened to me here and got good odds?

Odds of him beating max is slim but glad I put £5 on Albon to win GP at 2001/1

And £5 of him being on the podium at 600/1

[Richard C]

Quote from the article...

Red Bull are in the unique position of having four talented Formula One drivers under contract who can be rotated between the Team and Toro Rosso. The Team will use the next nine races to evaluate Alex’s performance in order to make an informed decision as to who will drive alongside Max in 2020.

I fully believe what is stated above. That they are putting him in the car, but at this moment there is no guarantee he will be in the car in 2021. If he does poorly, maybe even Gasly goes back in to close out 2019!

I can't remember the number, but I think the teams have a finite number of driver substitutions that can be made within a given season. I wonder if they had more flexibility with this, that they might have split the final races between Albon and Kvyat as a shootout for the 2020 seat.

Richard

[Aysedasi]

Let's face it, Gasly has been poor. Maybe the car wasn't to his liking, I don't know. But bearing in mind that the whole team is inevitably focussed on Max, it's a roll of the dice I'd have taken.

[JacobP]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

I didn't think that anything was supposed to be happening in F1 at the moment? I thought it was an enforced shut down, or is that just on the engineering side?

Great point. FIA should cancel the move and penalize RBR managers for working mid-break

[JacobP]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Gasly replaced by Albon from
Belgium on.

Poor Jacques Villeneuve just found out that he won't be getting a seat at RBR for the rest of 2019 season after all.

[chillibowl]

unbullievable!

i suppose them making a change doesnt surprise me as much as the order of promotion does.

I guess this is their version of the Merc free pit stop. One way or another they feel like they are squarely in third in the constructors with no risk of dropping to fourth so why not take a chance?

Driver evaluation with 9 races left though.... Gasly must have ****ed Marko off.

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

unbullievable!



Driver evaluation with 9 races left though.... Gasly must have ****ed Marko off.

It's very simple: Max has 181 points, Gasly has 63(just 5 points ahead of Sainz), Max has finished all races top 5 (even after beeing punted off by Vettel) and scored 5 podiums 2 of wich were wins , Gasly's best finish was 4th(because Vettel had punted of Max at Silverstone) and also Gasly has already been lapped 3 times by Max in the races and had the most damage of all drivers so far.

If Gasly had done better Red Bull would probably be ahead of Ferrari in the constructors championship now.

[broadrun96]

As much as the Red Bull management drama makes you wonder, it is a move that actually makes sense when taking Marko out of it. They are fairly safe in the position in the WCC at the moment but the second driver isn't making the most of the car relative the other driver. The big error would be if this crushes Gasly and Albon can't handle the run with the "big team." They have to evaluate drivers and on track testing is almost nil in modern F1, they have to use this time wisely and think many teams would love to have this option available to them.

[Adam43]

Will it be disruptive for Max's home race?

https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature...iver-bombshell

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

I didn't think that anything was supposed to be happening in F1 at the moment? I thought it was an enforced shut down, or is that just on the engineering side?

always been curious myself...but i would think the week after Germany/last race the teams need to transport everything back to the factory and break it down and then a week before Spa they are back on the move again.

so effectively its just a two week break starting this Monday morning perhaps?

but either way, the drivers will no doubt still be training and, as karting said, they already got the seat fitting out of the way.

i would be curious to know if your friend had said anything about a Kvyat seat fitting as well.

and a side question...had RBR nominated a reserve driver earlier in the year? i thought it may have been Buemi?

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

If Gasly had done better Red Bull would probably be ahead of Ferrari in the constructors championship now.

no doubt no doubt...but also a problem exacerbated by the reliability of the Honda engine?

Originally Posted by Adam43

Will it be disruptive for Max's home race?

https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature...iver-bombshell

cant read the article myself, but there will be a lot of media attention on Albon so perhaps that will give Max some cover.

but i doubt that...the media will be going nuts after every team member and RBR will generate the most amount of attention and publicity as a result and on some level i imagine them being very happy about this.

this is the kind of disruption they (as a brand) desire.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Will it be disruptive for Max's home race?

https://www.autosport.com/f1/feature...iver-bombshell

Belgium? Home race? He is Dutch
...

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

no doubt no doubt...but also a problem exacerbated by the reliability of the Honda engine?

I repeat: Max has finished ALL RACES, Gasly only had technical issues in Azerbeijan(not engine related) and the only other DNF he had was his crash in Germany.

so, no, nothing to do with Honda.

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

always been curious myself...but i would think the week after Germany/last race the teams need to transport everything back to the factory and break it down and then a week before Spa they are back on the move again.

I can't find a document that defines how the summer break works. I did find this older article that talks a bit about it. It sounds like some minor stuff can take place. To be honest, I was surprised that a seat fitting can be done during the break...

https://f1i.com/magazine/67380-expla...mer-break.html

Originally Posted by chillibowl

and a side question...had RBR nominated a reserve driver earlier in the year? i thought it may have been Buemi?

I have a broad curiosity as to what "reserve driver" means these days. It is a label that fits a specific regulation or is it more of a political/marketing thing at this point. My point is that it seem that when teams swap out drivers mid-season, that for whatever reason, whoever is their official "reserve driver" does not always get the call up. It seem to me to be more of a "status symbol" more than anything, but doesn't guarantee you will get called up when an opportunity presents itself.

When I look at the sporting regulations, it talks about how many drivers a team can use during a season (four) but doesn't categorize them (i.e. reserve driver). So RBR will have used three of their four going into the second half of the season (Max, Gasly and Albon).

Richard

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Belgium? Home race? He is Dutch
...

his mom is Belgian, but the same can be said for Lance Stroll

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Belgium? Home race? He is Dutch
...

Welcome to page 1 of this thread! I say when the topic of his nationality dies down. And we want to derail the discussion again. Just post... "Isn't Max Belgian and not Dutch? He was born in Belgium!"

Richard

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Welcome to page 1 of this thread! I say when the topic of his nationality dies down. And we want to derail the discussion again. Just post... "Isn't Max Belgian and not Dutch? He was born in Belgium!"

Richard

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Welcome to page 1 of this thread!

Marker in to bring up nationality again in page 10.