Round 2: IndyCar Classic, Circuit of The Americas. Austin, Texas. March 22-24.

[pirenzo]

What did you all make of the Turn 19 track limits thing. I found myself cringing slightly every time I saw them going off the road like that.

It's obviously a very challenging off camber corner, so I guess fine margins on the entry translate into quite widely different trajectories on the exit, but I'm not sure a free reign is the right approach?

Other than that I enjoyed the race and I'm very pleased that Indycar is not available in a convenient place in the UK. Colton Herta doesn't look or sound like your architypal young gun but his final stint to seal the victory was super impressive

[RWill2073]

Originally Posted by pirenzo

What did you all make of the Turn 19 track limits thing. I found myself cringing slightly every time I saw them going off the road like that.

It's obviously a very challenging off camber corner, so I guess fine margins on the entry translate into quite widely different trajectories on the exit, but I'm not sure a free reign is the right approach?

Other than that I enjoyed the race and I'm very pleased that Indycar is not available in a convenient place in the UK. Colton Herta doesn't look or sound like your architypal young gun but his final stint to seal the victory was super impressive

I kinda liked the no track limit approach. Looked odd, but if they're gonna put pavement there....

Colton has sort of a dour demeanor, a lot like his dad. It's also interesting how happy all the other drivers seemed for him. Love that aspect of the indycar paddock.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by pirenzo

What did you all make of the Turn 19 track limits thing. I found myself cringing slightly every time I saw them going off the road like that.

It's obviously a very challenging off camber corner, so I guess fine margins on the entry translate into quite widely different trajectories on the exit, but I'm not sure a free reign is the right approach?

Other than that I enjoyed the race and I'm very pleased that Indycar is not available in a convenient place in the UK. Colton Herta doesn't look or sound like your architypal young gun but his final stint to seal the victory was super impressive

First time somebody gets injured there, they are going to have massive problems for not using the circuit in it’s designed, or certified, state.

[mstets]

Originally Posted by RWill2073

Why? Everyone had time to choose a strategy. The leaders could have pitted to cover off those behind them that had. They chose not to. At least it throws a wrench in the standings once in a while.

And I rather like the interesting result it gave us. Nice story came out of it

I can't really disagree as to the COTA race. The leaders were well within the window and could have pitted before the yellow. I'm happy that the race was won by a new team. I just think that in general the closed pits net results that are artificial to the racing. Similar to what it would be like pulling 6 or 8 car numbers out of a hat at 3/4 distance and giving them a 30 second penalty.

[mstets]

Originally Posted by pirenzo

What did you all make of the Turn 19 track limits thing. I found myself cringing slightly every time I saw them going off the road like that.

It's obviously a very challenging off camber corner, so I guess fine margins on the entry translate into quite widely different trajectories on the exit, but I'm not sure a free reign is the right approach?

Other than that I enjoyed the race and I'm very pleased that Indycar is not available in a convenient place in the UK. Colton Herta doesn't look or sound like your architypal young gun but his final stint to seal the victory was super impressive

Just a matter of being too hard to police fairly I think. It did result in some sketchy maneuvers.



Why happy that there's no race in the UK - assuming that that is what you meant? Perhaps you meant to say "now"?


Herta is very much in the mold of his dad. Go back and look at how many Indy Lights races Brian won. I don't think he ever landed a ride in CART/Indycar equal to his talent.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Some interesting opinions from some of the drivers about track limits.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/142342

[pirenzo]

Originally Posted by mstets

Just a matter of being too hard to police fairly I think. It did result in some sketchy maneuvers.

I think they should just move the kerb 20 ft back and let the corner open out naturally along that path. It was definitely a contributing factor in the clash that brought out the yellow. Two cars returning from different lines on the outside, all scampering to rejoin at the same place.

Why happy that there's no race in the UK - assuming that that is what you meant? Perhaps you meant to say "now"?

Sorry, yes, I meant now! I am paying for F1 on Sky anyway, so for the first time ever I think, Indycar is part of the same TV package as F1 in the UK.

[kobefly]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

First FCY, as Rosenqvist loses it on cold tyres and runs into Hinchliffe.

To me it looked like Hinchliffe ran into Rosenqvist. But main issue was they were allowed to ran out of the track in my opinion.

[S griffin]

They were talking about this on an Autosport video. Seems they just let it go throughout the weekend, which is why so many cars were wide there

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by pirenzo

I think they should just move the kerb 20 ft back and let the corner open out naturally along that path.

Exactly. No need for that tight corner there.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by S griffin

They were talking about this on an Autosport video. Seems they just let it go throughout the weekend, which is why so many cars were wide there

It wasn't about just letting it go. If you read the Autosport article I posted, #56, it says third paragraph down: "It was also believed that the wider approach to Turn 19 would help tyre wear at a track with high degradation, despite the bumpiness of the off-track line."

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by kobefly

To me it looked like Hinchliffe ran into Rosenqvist. But main issue was they were allowed to ran out of the track in my opinion.

That's how I saw it at the time, hence my comment. I have yet to see the incident again.

[RWill2073]

I don't think hinchcliffe can be blamed at all. He was beyond the curbs, needing to re-enter the actual track himself. He can't or shouldn't have to let a car go through that is coming from even further beyond the "track", who is running out of pavement. From how far wide rosenqvist was, I think it was more on him to let up to get back to the track.

But I don't think it was either's fault, just a byproduct of the no track limit rules of the weekend. But I still like that they didn't enforce track limits.

[mstets]

Originally Posted by pirenzo

I think they should just move the kerb 20 ft back and let the corner open out naturally along that path. It was definitely a contributing factor in the clash that brought out the yellow. Two cars returning from different lines on the outside, all scampering to rejoin at the same place.



Sorry, yes, I meant now! I am paying for F1 on Sky anyway, so for the first time ever I think, Indycar is part of the same TV package as F1 in the UK.

The corner sort of reminds me of the first turn at Cleveland in the CART days, which was 5 or 6 cars wide, but a flat plane. Guys trying all sorts of lines especially at the start. Why not have similar corners on other road circuits? There was quite a bit of inside/outside passing/maneuvering going on at COTA. Wider pavement in the corners seems to me like a good thing.

[ApexTurtle]

WEC proved you can have very good races on this track without anyone pushing anyone else wide and with basic respect towards the actual track. I thought this was not a good solution.

[JHamilton]

I was just able to watch the race and, first of all, I'll eat crow about my comments regarding the crowd. Indycar was right to go there as that was an excellent crowd. Hopefully the "ballpark" experience at the track won't put off people in the future, but it's waaaaaay different than what we're used to, fellas.

I was sceptical of Herta when I first saw the result but he certainly appears to be the real deal, doesn't he? Congrats to him!

[S griffin]

A lot of people are commenting how without DRS there was better battling for position than there is in F1, where drivers wait for the DRS zone. It's how racing should be

[NaBUru38]

On the contrary, I saw many overtakes in the backstraight, presumably when the overtaker was using the boost and the overtakee wasn't.

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by joeb

I didn't get to see as much of the race as I wanted to, but great to see Herta win and O'Ward get a top 10. O'Ward lost a couple spots at the end or the result would have been better. I was interested to see how Indycar raced at Cota. I gotta say I didn't enjoy it a ton. I think it is just the track that is a turnoff for me. I had hoped seeing the series there would make it more enjoyable but the track is still dull to me.

Originally Posted by joeb

I just went back a page to catchup after my previous post, and saw this. You predicted my complaints! I've never been in person, and doubt i ever will.

Just finished it last night. Still don't really like the track but IndyCars there was good fun, IMHO.

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As expansive as that place is, it looked pretty well attended, echoing some previous thread comments.

And F track limits

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

And F track limits

Robin Miller said it best when asked why they drove out there, simply because they paved it.

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