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Old 7 Sep 2005, 07:57 (Ref:1401075)   #51
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They would have probably won that race anyway, just a shame it was not a race
seriously, based on the results of the rest of the season?
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Old 7 Sep 2005, 10:01 (Ref:1401171)   #52
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Sure, who knows, but based on times from practice and qualifying, they were in pretty good shape, and just for once (and Imola), bridgestones were the tyre to have. Yes, I think they could have won that one.
Indianapolis was a disgrace, anyway, but it was not ferrari´s fault, IMO. They deserved the major points because they were the only front running team to get things done properly at indy. It was NOT a race, though.
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Old 7 Sep 2005, 10:29 (Ref:1401196)   #53
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yeah, i agree on all this, but by "anyway" I thought you meant "even if there were no problems with the tyres".
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Old 7 Sep 2005, 10:56 (Ref:1401222)   #54
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Ferrari may say they have had problems with the tyres all season bar imola and indy..., and that does not make any valid excuse for their horrible season.
I see this way: Bridgestone has not produced a good tyre for the 2005 regulations (most races) and michelin did not produce a good tyre for indianapolis. Does that mean that McLaren or Renault are not fair dominators just because ferrari´s tyres have not been up to the job?? Of course not. McLaren and Renault are having fantastic races and results because they are doing the best job, and that´s as fair as saying that ferrari had the best tyre at indianapolis and deserved the win, well, that´s what I think.
Hmmm, am I becoming a ferrari defender??? I am not, be sure...
Sorry to be off topic before. I think Toyota deserves to take third from ferrari, they have improved a lot...
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Old 7 Sep 2005, 13:56 (Ref:1401392)   #55
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Ferrari haven't always been all that much faster than Jordan and Minardi, and they haven't always been closer to the front in races where those teams weren't as far off the pace, so their problems aren't completely tyre-related. At the same time, the poor tyres have probably cost them more than 188 points over the season as a whole.

Even if some solution had been reached to produce a 20-car race at Indianapolis, Ferrari would probably have scored a 1-2, either due to the other teams being penalised for forcing a chicane, or forced to pit regularly. The Ferrari-Ferrari-Michael-Bridgestone package was the strongest at Indy, however you look at it.
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Old 7 Sep 2005, 14:47 (Ref:1401426)   #56
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If Ferrari, Jordan and Minardi didn't race in the USGP this is how the constructors championship probably would have looked after China:
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Old 7 Sep 2005, 17:03 (Ref:1401548)   #57
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You've got to hand it to Schumacher, despite the problems with the tyres (or car) he's still third in the championship. Not bad for someone who is having a bad year, is it?

Even if you discount the 10 points from Indy he'd only drop to forth.
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Old 9 Sep 2005, 11:13 (Ref:1402743)   #58
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How can you ask if Toyota deserve to overtake ferrari in constructor points.. it's not a matter of deserve but more like they would have EARNED it.. nuff said
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Old 9 Sep 2005, 11:24 (Ref:1402757)   #59
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Tf105 - may be worth reading back in the thread about discussing 'deserve' - nuff said
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Old 9 Sep 2005, 21:37 (Ref:1403279)   #60
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Tf105 - may be worth reading back in the thread about discussing 'deserve' - nuff said
Not reading back nothing.. was a stupid question initially... nuff said
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Old 10 Sep 2005, 08:21 (Ref:1403546)   #61
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Old 10 Sep 2005, 18:06 (Ref:1403849)   #62
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lol

Someone's a bit edgy cause their english isn't all that good....

i'm going to stop though before the thread gets close and he calls the whole forum women
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Sporting competition isn't always "fair". Bad stuff happens. Good stuff happens. The end result is a collection of the whole. Individual incidents don't have a special meaning or power: they are just one thing that happened in the context of a lot more things.

You finish where you finish. End of story.

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lol

Someone's a bit edgy cause their english isn't all that good....
I believe it's English - with a capital letter.

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Sporting competition isn't always "fair". Bad stuff happens. Good stuff happens. The end result is a collection of the whole. Individual incidents don't have a special meaning or power: they are just one thing that happened in the context of a lot more things.

You finish where you finish. End of story.

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I agree... whereever you place... u earned it
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